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Bug 750107 - Backspace not bound to up folder
Backspace not bound to up folder
Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 692648
Product: nautilus
Classification: Core
Component: Keyboardability
3.16.x
Other Linux
: Normal normal
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Assigned To: Nautilus Maintainers
Nautilus Maintainers
: 750388 752277 (view as bug list)
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2015-05-29 14:30 UTC by Max Ehrlich
Modified: 2016-06-23 08:42 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: ---



Description Max Ehrlich 2015-05-29 14:30:41 UTC
Previous versions on nautilus I could press backspace to go up one folder. It looks like that doesn't work in 3.16. Trying to re-add the binding using .config/nautilus/accels doesn't work either. Please allow this shortcut key to be reassigned
Comment 1 António Fernandes 2015-05-30 09:02:32 UTC
Thanks for taking the time to report this.

It seems that ".config/nautilus/accels" was dropped as part of the transition to GAction [0]. I don't know if there are plans to bring it back. You may file a new bug report about this.

With relation to "Go Up", the standard keyboard short is [Alt]+[Up]. Nautilus used to have a secondary shortcut for "Go Up", and that was [Backpace], but it was removed.[1] Unfortunately, like any other change, it can break usage habits, but I hope you can find [Alt]+[Up] more useful, given it's likeness to the other navigation shortcuts: [Alt]+[Left] for 'Go Back', [Alt]+[Right] for 'Go Forward' and [Alt]+[Down] for 'Go Down'/'Open Folder'.

This particular issue has already been reported into our bug tracking system, but please feel free to report any further bugs you find.


[0] https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=ce0ce798b9818b37343196dc66def9464eb951ab

[1] This (mis)use of [Backpace] goes back to old Microsoft Windows Explorer versions. However, it was not logical for [Backspace], which is a destructive key like [Delete], to be used like this. There isn't even a consistent use across applications: some web browsers use [Backspace] as "Go Back", not "Go Up". Also, it conflicted with search. This is a case where we shouldn't have been blindly following what Windows does.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 692648 ***
Comment 2 Carlos Soriano 2015-05-30 09:32:04 UTC
(In reply to António Fernandes from comment #1)
> Thanks for taking the time to report this.
> 
> It seems that ".config/nautilus/accels" was dropped as part of the
> transition to GAction [0]. I don't know if there are plans to bring it back.
> You may file a new bug report about this.
> 
> With relation to "Go Up", the standard keyboard short is [Alt]+[Up].
> Nautilus used to have a secondary shortcut for "Go Up", and that was
> [Backpace], but it was removed.[1] Unfortunately, like any other change, it
> can break usage habits, but I hope you can find [Alt]+[Up] more useful,
> given it's likeness to the other navigation shortcuts: [Alt]+[Left] for 'Go
> Back', [Alt]+[Right] for 'Go Forward' and [Alt]+[Down] for 'Go Down'/'Open
> Folder'.
> 
> This particular issue has already been reported into our bug tracking
> system, but please feel free to report any further bugs you find.
> 
> 
> [0]
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/
> ?id=ce0ce798b9818b37343196dc66def9464eb951ab
> 
> [1] This (mis)use of [Backpace] goes back to old Microsoft Windows Explorer
> versions. However, it was not logical for [Backspace], which is a
> destructive key like [Delete], to be used like this. There isn't even a
> consistent use across applications: some web browsers use [Backspace] as "Go
> Back", not "Go Up". Also, it conflicted with search. This is a case where we
> shouldn't have been blindly following what Windows does.
> 
> *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 692648 ***

Ah thanks for clarifying, the removal was unintentioned (I didn't even know it exists) and I don't see a reason to not add it again if people use it.
Comment 3 Max Ehrlich 2015-05-30 13:43:07 UTC
All of those decisions make perfect sense, however, is there any way to use the GAction stuff to alter the built in accels or is such functionality planned at some point? Who knows what crazy key combinations some people like, it would be really nice for people with unusual setups to be able to customize it.
Comment 4 António Fernandes 2015-07-12 09:38:03 UTC
*** Bug 752277 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 5 Max Ehrlich 2015-07-20 17:20:19 UTC
Is no one going to comment further on this? The keybindings should be customizable
Comment 6 Carlos Soriano 2015-07-29 13:06:29 UTC
(In reply to Max Ehrlich from comment #5)
> Is no one going to comment further on this? The keybindings should be
> customizable

Commenting what? Is said in the previous comment that the removal of supporting that was unintentioned and that there is no reason against having it...
Just that someone has to find the time, based on its priorities, to implement it with the GAction stuff.
Comment 7 Max Ehrlich 2015-07-29 13:22:24 UTC
So there is going to be a way to customize keybindings reintroduced? I'm asking because the gnome project has had a history of removing customization options in the name of making things simpler and its starting to get old.
Comment 8 Carlos Soriano 2015-07-29 15:08:18 UTC
(In reply to Max Ehrlich from comment #7)
> So there is going to be a way to customize keybindings reintroduced? I'm
> asking because the gnome project has had a history of removing customization
> options in the name of making things simpler and its starting to get old.

Given that the behaviour with this account is repeated, I have to ask to follow GNOME code of conduct as here https://wiki.gnome.org/Foundation/CodeOfConduct and use Bugzilla tool appropiately.
Thanks.
Comment 9 Max Ehrlich 2015-07-29 15:10:40 UTC
I don't see any violation by me of the code of conduct. You are being very dismissive of my concerns and it is extremely frustrating. If you don't want to discuss a closed bug then please move to my open bug at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752666
Comment 10 Jonas 2015-07-31 09:52:19 UTC
*** Bug 750388 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 11 Luc Pi 2015-08-28 11:51:11 UTC
(In reply to António Fernandes from comment #1)

> [1] This (mis)use of [Backpace] goes back to old Microsoft Windows Explorer
> versions. However, it was not logical for [Backspace], which is a
> destructive key like [Delete], to be used like this.
> This is a case where we
> shouldn't have been blindly following what Windows does.

It's not clear what supports your reasoning. 
If wikipedia is a reference, it clearly states:

  "The backspace key is commonly used to go back a page (or up one level)
   when exploring folders in graphical environments"
  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backspace#Common_use


One thing sure, is that it allowed *one-hand navigation*, 
with arrows, enter and... backspace. 
That's a problem with Alt-<arrow>.

About conflicts, currently backspace does actually nothing.
Comment 12 Carlos 2015-12-25 18:46:40 UTC
Your post Mister Soriano is clearly an ill mannered violation of the code of conduct and I demand that you apologise to the reporter.
Not to mention that this is simply not a duplicate of 692648.
Comment 13 Blackc0de 2016-03-06 11:15:38 UTC
Hello Gents!

I know it is not feature request ticket, but I found it best place to sign: please bring back the backpace as "move up one in folder". 
If you use mouse hard to use Alt + arrow combination and you can't use them parallel. Backspace hasn't destructive meaning and it functioned well in previous versions of Nautilus.

Thank you!
Comment 14 Jonas 2016-03-06 11:56:11 UTC
The discussion on this topic suggests that fixing this bug is against Gnome policies, so it's not going to be fixed in the future. The only solution is to use another file manager.
Comment 15 Luc Pi 2016-03-06 12:58:29 UTC
(In reply to Jonas from comment #14)
> The only solution is to use another file manager.

or use this one-line patch (from the bug reporter [1]). It might be some struggle for some people to recompile nautilus, but apparently much less struggle than commenting and expecting some change here.


--- src/nautilus-window.c   2015-07-31 10:18:29.313898480 -0400
+++ src/nautilus-window.c   2015-07-31 10:21:20.701351684 -0400

-   nautilus_application_add_accelerator (app, "win.up", "<alt>Up");
+   nautilus_application_add_accelerator (app, "win.up", "BackSpace");



[1] http://superuser.com/questions/910168/set-nautilus-up-action-to-backspace
Comment 16 Carlos Soriano 2016-06-23 08:42:28 UTC
(In reply to Max Ehrlich from comment #9)
> I don't see any violation by me of the code of conduct. You are being very
> dismissive of my concerns and it is extremely frustrating. If you don't want
> to discuss a closed bug then please move to my open bug at
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752666

To be clear, any comment that does not relate directly to the bug report is using inappropriately bugzilla. Specifically "I'm asking because the gnome project has had a history of removing customization options in the name of making things simpler and its starting to get old." which is unnecessary and doesn't provide anything to help fixing this bug.

I'm not sure where the some comments understood that we don't want this. I said clearly my thoughs at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750107#c6