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Bug 712165 - Keyboard Layout Options window is missed in latest gnome-control-center keyboard
Keyboard Layout Options window is missed in latest gnome-control-center keyboard
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Product: gnome-control-center
Classification: Core
Component: Keyboard
3.10.x
Other Linux
: Normal normal
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Assigned To: Rui Matos
Control-Center Maintainers
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2013-11-12 17:10 UTC by Nrbrtx
Modified: 2013-12-14 19:04 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: ---



Description Nrbrtx 2013-11-12 17:10:49 UTC
In next six month Ubuntu 14.04 will be prepared and arrived. It's LTS. So users of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS may want to update to it.

What they have now (in Ubuntu 12.04.3)?
They have very wide choose of available hotkeys for layout change. Let's see.
In Ubuntu 12.04.3, under gnome-control-center keyboard we have (select tab "Typing", click on link "Layout Settings" in left bottom corner of window, press the "Options" button in the bottom right corner of window, window "Keyboard Layout Options" is opened).

This window allows user to set many options.
It allows to set the following:
> Adding currency signs to certain keys
> Adding Esperanto circumflexes (supersigno)
> Alt/Win key behavior
> Caps Lock key behavior
> Compose key position
> Ctrl key position
> Japanese keyboard options
> Key sequence to kill the X server
> Key(s) to change layout
> Key to choose 3rd level
> Key to choose 5th level
> Miscellaneous compatibility options
> Numeric keypad delete key behavior
> Numeric keypad layout selection
> Use keyboard LED to show alternative layout
> Using space key to input non-breakable space character

In Ubuntu 13.10 this setup window is missing.
So user will be unable to adjust many layout switching parameters.

For example, under "Key(s) to change layout" this window has:
    Alt+Caps Lock
    Alt+Ctrl
    Alt+Shift
    Alt+Space
    Any Win key (while pressed)
    Both Alt keys together
    Both Ctrl keys together
    Both Shift keys together
    Caps Lock
    Caps Lock (to first layout), Shift+Caps Lock (to last layout)
    Caps Lock (while pressed), Alt+Caps Lock does the original capslock action
    Ctrl+Shift
    Left Alt
    Left Alt+Left Shift
    Left Alt (while pressed)
    Left Ctrl
    Left Ctrl+Left Shift
    Left Ctrl+LeftWin (to first layout), RightCtrl+Menu (to second layout)
    Left Ctrl (to first layout), Right Ctrl (to last layout)
    Left Shift
    Left Win
    Left Win (to first layout), Right Win/Menu (to last layout)
    Left Win (while pressed)
    Menu
    Right Alt
    Rigth Alt (while pressed)
    Right Ctrl
    Right Ctrl+Right Shift
    Right Ctrl (while pressed)
    Right Shift
    Right Win
    Right Win (while pressed)
    Scroll Lock
    Shift+Caps Lock

This list is very long but universal. Defined hotkeys are full-functional.
But in Ubuntu 13.10 (GNOME 3.10 from ppa and GNOME 3.6) these options are completely missed.
Please bring them back to gnome-control-center keyboard.
IMHO gnome-tweak-tool in not a right place for them.
Comment 1 Rui Matos 2013-11-12 17:40:10 UTC
We already talked about this in bug 711426, didn't we?
Comment 2 Nrbrtx 2013-11-12 17:56:15 UTC
IMHO below, I'm sorry about, but it became painful.

I think you are doing wrong, guys!

Linux was more flexible than stupid and/or simple MacOS X. 
Are you MacOS X fans? 
Use it quietly on your own laptop, and please do not copy its behaviour. GNOME users are not idiots. 
We still need normal (not-hidden) way to configure keyboard.
Are OS X fans brake (or remove) things that are working normally?
At least 24 users are not satisfied with new gnome-control-center "functionality" (see lp #1245064). Is it little for you?
Why you do not ask your users what they use? Why you remove the functionality, that were here in years? Why you hate your users so much?
Comment 3 Alexandr 2013-11-23 09:58:35 UTC
I totally agree with Nrbrtx. Flexibility is the only thing that caused me to drop MacOS on my laptop and install ubuntu.
Comment 4 Nrbrtx 2013-11-24 13:01:01 UTC
It seems, that in GNOME >= 3.8 an equivalent for "Key(s) to change layout" is in
gnome-control-center keyboard under "Shortcuts -> Typing -> Modifiers-only switch to next source". It sounds good.

But Keyboard Layout Options window is still missed.
Comment 5 David 2013-11-29 19:46:32 UTC
If OS X is the inspiration for this outright deletion of functionality, please allow me to direct the authors of this regression to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15435253/how-to-remap-the-caps-lock-key-to-control-in-os-x-10-8

Cheers.
Comment 6 Bastien Nocera 2013-12-13 16:57:56 UTC
Are there any actual bugs in this report? I can't see any. I see plenty of mentions of random Ubuntu versions with PPAs. Which version are you actually complaining about?

And if I see another rant like the one in comment 2, I'll be making sure you get banned from Bugzilla. I don't have time for rants, this isn't a forum.
Comment 7 Nrbrtx 2013-12-14 19:04:02 UTC
Thank you for reply, Bastien Nocera!

I'll try to be more concrete.

This bug-report is about missed "Keyboard Layout Options" in GNOME 3.10 in different distros: gnome-control-center 3.10.2 in Arch, Mageia 4, Sabayon, OpenSuse 13.1 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855503), Fedora 20 beta (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043186).

But this window is missed in older distros too (ALT Linux p7 with gnome-control-center 3.8.6, Ubuntu 13.10 with gnome-control-center 3.6.3).

However this window exists in gnome-control-center 3.4.2 (Ubuntu 12.04) and in gnome-control-center 3.4.3.1 (Debian 7.2), gnome-control-center 2.28 (CentOs 6.5), gnome-control-center 2.32.1 (Gentoo).


So this options are missed in modern gnome-control-center. I understand, that they are moved them to gnome-tweak-tool, but it is not pre-installed application.

I mark this bug as WONTFIX to stop the "rant" you mentioned.
Thank you and good luck!