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Bug 164508 - Stronger definition of Document/File needed
Stronger definition of Document/File needed
Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 172297
Product: gnome-devel-docs
Classification: Applications
Component: hig
unspecified
Other All
: Normal normal
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Assigned To: HIG Maintainers
HIG Maintainers
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2005-01-18 18:44 UTC by Alan Horkan
Modified: 2020-12-04 18:20 UTC
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Description Alan Horkan 2005-01-18 18:44:45 UTC
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/menus.html#standard-menus

"If your application does not operate on documents, name this item for the type
of object it displays. For example, many games should have a Game instead of a
File menu."  

In the case of simple Games*, accessories like Caclulators, and certain firewall
products there is no obvious File involved and this recommendation makes sense.  

In the case of a Media Player it is document based and the movie file is the
document but unfortunately the wording of the HIG has led some to beleive that 
they should break consistancey and rename their File menu to Movie.  
This is not just breaking consistancey with GNOME but also with Mac OS, Windows
and KDE.  
I went into a more detail about the Media player case in this request, which I
plan on reopening soon.  
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160274

Another document based application which has abandoned the File menu is File
Roller (it seems particularly odd that File Roller doesn't have a File menu) and
aside from consistancey I do believe there would be a signficant usability
benefit to reorgansing the menus in File Roller and seperating out the Archive
actions from the File actions.  
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164505

So I'm hoping the HIG can clarify what was meant here.  It seems clear to me
that it meant document based applications, and that it was not the intention
that applications would replace the File menu with a menu specific to the type
of file they work with  (if it was then we'd need to have Text, Spreadsheet,
Drawing, etc).  Please help me, these glaring inconsistancey in these few
applications are like an itch I cannot scratch.  Please help clarify the
intentions of the HIG on this.
Comment 1 Alan Horkan 2005-08-16 14:35:03 UTC
Various Screenshots of iTunes
http://www.livejournal.com/users/alanhorkan/11377.html#itunes

I'll try and remember to get some Windows Media Player screenshots later or
anything else you think might be good for comparisions.  
Comment 2 Alan Horkan 2006-07-22 16:25:11 UTC
updated link for more recent version of the HIG
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/menus-standard.html#the-file-menu
Comment 3 Alan Horkan 2006-07-22 16:26:27 UTC
Sorry, those iTunes screenshots were meant for a very similar request I filed against Rhythmbox, please disregard them.  
 
Comment 4 Alan Horkan 2006-07-22 16:39:26 UTC
This bothered so much I filed it twice by mistake, closing this report in favour of the other request.  


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 172297 ***