GNOME Bugzilla – Bug 689886
Detect need to tile backgrounds
Last modified: 2021-06-09 16:01:11 UTC
After gnome 3.6 background settings like "tile" "zoom" , etc removed from background settings. background selector should have those settings.because it's a necessary there is another bug to add those settings to gnome tweak tool but from point of view a user it should be in background selector not in seperate apps like tweak tool or Photo application
"It's a necessary" is really not a good and convincing argument.
Yes you are right maybe "Background settings should be in Background selector". What if user doesn't install tweak tool or Photo applications? How that user changes background settings?
Re-adding the background chooser shouldn't be necessary to getting back the tile mode.
The problem is that System Settings is allowing the user to choose a photo from their personal collection but not allowing them to edit the appearance of the photo. Instead, the photo is automatically re-scaled, which look terrible unless the picture is the correct size or close to the correct size to begin with. The problem doesn't occur when the user chooses from the pre-selected wallpapers and colored backgrounds, since those are already the correct sizes. Do you think it makes sense to give the user information about how to edit the photo e.g. by adding an edit button to the photo chooser section of System Settings so the user can launch image viewer?
Meg - you're assuming that the user has some knowledge in how to edit their picture such that it fits into their desktop. That means they have to have some knowledge of resolution and what not. Shifting the burden to the user is unfair. So either there must be greater smarts in the resizing algorithm such that it just works, or there must be some other method. I'm good if we can make it "just work". In fact that would be fantastic. The other thing is that in other desktops both Linux and otherwise the user is presented with a consistent set of choices already. If you can't come up with something that just works, it seems pragmatic to go with a standard set presented by all the other desktops and applications. Finally, as Meg points out - if I decided to use the browser to set my background (like Firefox), I'm now given a same standard set of options that the other set. So basically, you're doing something different than everyone else.
Created attachment 235600 [details] Set as Desktop Background
(In reply to comment #5) > Meg - you're assuming that the user has some knowledge in how to edit their > picture such that it fits into their desktop. That means they have to have > some knowledge of resolution and what not. Shifting the burden to the user is > unfair. Not exactly. Based on the release notes (which Olav mentioned on Google+) I tried opening my picture Image Viewer. The first time I did this I got the "Set Desktop Background" dialog when I chose the "Set as Desktop Background" item on the Image menu. Now, this may have been a bug, but that is what I was referring to in my comment. IMO, the fewer steps the user has to take to get to setting the image correctly, the better, so if an edit button could launch that dialog, which is used in Firefox (see attached image), that would be easiest for the user. > > So either there must be greater smarts in the resizing algorithm such that it > just works, or there must be some other method. I'm good if we can make it > "just work". In fact that would be fantastic. > > The other thing is that in other desktops both Linux and otherwise the user is > presented with a consistent set of choices already. If you can't come up with > something that just works, it seems pragmatic to go with a standard set > presented by all the other desktops and applications. > > Finally, as Meg points out - if I decided to use the browser to set my > background (like Firefox), I'm now given a same standard set of options that > the other set. So basically, you're doing something different than everyone > else.
(In reply to comment #0) > After gnome 3.6 background settings like "tile" "zoom" , etc removed from > background settings. > background selector should have those settings.because it's a necessary > there is another bug to add those settings to gnome tweak tool but from point > of view a user it should be in background selector not in seperate apps like > tweak tool or Photo application I agree, the Background dialog only lets the user choose a picture, it does not allow the manipulation of the image on the desktop. Removing configuration features from the user really only makes things more difficult, not less.
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(In reply to comment #11) This sort of attitude and language won't be tolerated. Consider yourself warned, and keep comments on topic instead of ranting about what you think we do.
(In reply to comment #11) > This is getting frustrating, seriously, all these broken features and the Gnome > mentality of developers arrogantly telling us time and time again, "It's not a > bug, it's a feature" How about you guys actual do your jobs and just add the > goddamn feature before we just switch to another DE and convince others to stop > donating to this flaming sack of crap! See if I ever donate to "Friends of > Gnome" if this keeps up! Suggest indeed moving to openbox. I understand that things might be really annoying and that this causes a lot of frustration for you. That said, this kind of behaviour is not tolerated at GNOME. See https://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct. As a result, I see no other choice than to ban you. I'm also going to hide your comments as they don't add any value to this bug. Regards, Olav If you want to discuss: bugmaster@gnome.org
I don't think this bug is really about manipulating photo images. It's about giving the user a way to tile *any* kind of image on their desktop. For example, on my machines I always tile http://svn.red-bean.com/repos/kfogel/trunk/x/abstract.png or the corresponding .xbm file. It's not a photo, it's just an image, and tiling it does not involve modifying the image -- tiling is about how the image is arranged on the desktop background. I had to run gnome-tweak-tool, choose the Deskptop controls, then under Background, set 'Mode' to 'Wallpaper' and set 'Background Location' to '/home/kfogel/x/abstract.png' Needless to say, this is not an ideal user experience :-). Tiling used to be possible via the natural path from the Background settings; the loss of that UI seems like a regression IMHO. Hope this helps, -Karl
By the way, one more point that may be relevant: Some of the preceding conversation talks about tiling as though it should be an automatic thing -- that GNOME should somehow detect automagically that an image needs tiling and offer to tile it. Maybe that would be useful, but IMHO it's much more important to just offer the user the unconditional *option* to tile any image they want (which is what Background Settings used to do, IIRC). Tiling is a decision the user wants to make, not something that needs to be autodetected.
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