GNOME Bugzilla – Bug 83653
HIG should specify that stop and reload go in the view menu not go menu
Last modified: 2020-12-04 18:20:39 UTC
go => stop and go => reload make no sense. Items in the go menu should be places or directions for example where do you want to go? go => forward, go => home in contrast stop and reload act on the current view. eg. Reload the current view, stop loading the current view. Currently nautilus puts reload in the view menu, and i have recommended to galeon that they add both stop and reload to their view menu.
I don't think so. "View Stop" and "View Reload" makes even less sense than "Go Stop" and "Go Reload". The "View" in menus is the *verb* "view", not the noun "view". Menu items should be actions, not nouns. The verb and the noun may be the same word in English so it's not apparent but as soon you translate it, these problems become very apparent. "How do I view stop?" "View reload? I don't want to watch reloads!"
Actually, the View in the menu *is* supposed to be a noun-- it contains items that change your View of the application data. As you say, though, it's quite ambiguous-- bad choice by Xerox PARC (or whoever it was who first used it) :/ As such, I think "Reload View" does make more sense than "Go Reload" (or "Reload Go"), but neither "Stop View" nor "Stop Go" really make all that much sense at all :/ But I think they should go together wherever they end up.
> Actually, the View in the menu *is* supposed to be a noun In that case, there are a lot of translations to fix. In a lot of operating systems. Better is to leave the view menu to actions that only affect the presentation of the document, and leave navigational items out of it.
Quite agree, that's supposed to be the case whether you regard "View" as a noun or a verb anyway. However, it's extremely debatable whether "Stop" or "Reload" are navigational or not, as they don't take you anywhere. You stay exactly where you are. At most, all that changes is what you see at your current location... your view, in other words :)
Well, they surely aren't presentational. They don't in themselves affect how documents are presented. On the other hand I'd argue that they are navigational since they control how you go from one document to the other, or even to the same document. Nevertheless, since moving these to "view" causes problems in localized versions on several platforms, I don't think this should be recommended at all.
This is interesting since no one ever complained about the fact that reload is in the view menu in nautilus. I think putting reload and stop in the go menu makes no sense at all. Items in the go menu are places where you go, you don't go stop. In fact go and stop totally contradict each other. They complete contradict each other. You do reload the current view, the same way you zoom in on the current view. Stop is actually stop loading the thing i'm trying to view.
Just wanted to note that mozilla puts both stop and reload in the view menu, so there is prior precedent for this.
So does Internet Explorer, so well, I give up. ;)
The question now is where in the view menu should they go. For now in galeon i put stop and reload as the first two menu items in view, but i only did so since nautilus does this as well with reload. Should they be at the top or moved farther down the list???
Internet Explorer puts them grouped somewhere near the middle, with menu seperators around them. In any case, I think the seperators is a good idea, so that they can visually be grouped, since they are obviously a bit different than the rest of the View menu items.
Right now they are at the top, and there is a seperator between them and toolbar menu items. Suggestions..., I actually don't mind them being at the top. Since they are more likely to be used than other options..but i'm really open on this one.
I forget what else is on the menu and I can't check right now, so this isn't a definitive answer, but... I would actually be quite surprised if 'Reload' and especially 'Stop' were often accessed from the menu at all. Most people use the toolbar or keyboard shortcuts for these, in which case IE's policy of grouping them near the middle of the menu is probably fairly reasonable.
I willing to move them for galeon to the middle, i just would like a definitive answer first as to where they should be grouped though so that i don't have to keep on changing it. I will also do thi s for nautilus post 2.0
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