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Bug 782002 - Making GNOME really pleasant to use
Making GNOME really pleasant to use
Status: RESOLVED INCOMPLETE
Product: gnome-shell
Classification: Core
Component: general
unspecified
Other All
: Normal normal
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Assigned To: gnome-shell-maint
gnome-shell-maint
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+so...
usability
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2017-05-01 03:03 UTC by Alberto Salvia Novella
Modified: 2017-05-02 07:37 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: Unversioned Enhancement



Description Alberto Salvia Novella 2017-05-01 03:03:59 UTC
I know this project doesn't like reports in video, but I think this is the exception rather than the rule:

https://youtu.be/vWIwjpE0lx8
Comment 1 Alexandre Franke 2017-05-01 08:55:08 UTC
Thanks for taking the time to open this report. We value your feedback.


(In reply to Alberto Salvia Novella from comment #0)
> I know this project doesn't like reports in video,

Indeed. I can guarantee that this won’t reach the relevant people in the current form.

Also a mail with a link to this bug report with a link to the video with a link to a Launchpad issue was not the most efficient communication. The signal/noise ration is very low. And setting the bug severity to critical won’t guarantee you a more attentive audience.


> but I think this is the exception rather than the rule

Nope. No exception.


> https://youtu.be/vWIwjpE0lx8

I watched the first two minutes and I still don’t know what this is about. If you really expect GNOME to pay attention to what you have to say, please make an effort to bring it in an adequate form.

Someone on Launchpad took the time to watch it and summarized it in a few points:
* Turn off animations
* Turn on Dash to dock
* Turn on better volume indicator
* Turn on Hide activities button
* Remove top panel
* Hide application menu
Comment 2 Florian Müllner 2017-05-01 10:14:43 UTC
(In reply to Alexandre Franke from comment #1)
> Someone on Launchpad took the time to watch it and summarized it in a few
> points:
> * Turn off animations
> * Turn on Dash to dock
> * Turn on better volume indicator
> * Turn on Hide activities button
> * Remove top panel
> * Hide application menu

Assuming that summary is correct, those items should be filed as separate issues (after checking for existing reports of course). As it is, this bug report is completely unusable - "make it pleasant" is completely subjective and unactionable (who gets to decide that "GNOME is now pleasant" and the issue is fixed?). Or is it expected that we commit patches like "Fixes 3 minutes 23 seconds from a youtube video"?
Comment 3 Alberto Salvia Novella 2017-05-01 17:44:45 UTC
Why are you telling me stories?

This report is about how the GNOME Shell looks as a hole, so that's why it's a single report and on video.

You can continue cherry picking how I do things, making me open new reports for just closing them, or do something about it.

The choice is yours and I need no further explanation. Nevertheless I would be happy to help if you need that.

Just don't tell me your interface is half baked because nobody filed a proper bug report about it, or that you like it despite of you being a minority. Have balls and take responsibility of your choices.
Comment 4 Florian Müllner 2017-05-01 17:53:26 UTC
I'm not going to watch a video to figure out what you are asking for, sorry. And no, "I know what you need to do to become good, if you don't do exactly like asked then you are ignorant" *does* need further explanation (like *data* to back up your opinion), otherwise you just make yourself look like an arrogant troll.
Comment 5 André Klapper 2017-05-01 17:55:57 UTC
Alberto Salvia Novella: Please carefully read comment 2 again for information how to constructively collaborate.

Regarding your comment 4,  please also read and understand https://wiki.gnome.org/Foundation/CodeOfConduct before any further activity in GNOME Bugzilla.
Comment 6 Alberto Salvia Novella 2017-05-01 21:49:55 UTC
https://youtu.be/RxO4d9rWW9Y
Comment 7 Sri Ramkrishna 2017-05-02 07:37:20 UTC
I assume you find it more comfortable to respond via video as opposed to writing comments on here.  But unfortunately, "asking people" is not really a valid method of data collecting because you can have an inaccurate data sample.  Polling is really a complicated scientific methodology and it isn't as simple as one would think.

Secondly, I have been on places like reddit for over 5 years and it is my experience when I engage with people on reddit and other social media platforms that after I have queried them I find that they aren't using GNOME at all but have switched long ago to something else and they are referring to complaints from GNOME 2 or even GNOME 1.  A number of them are the same people, sometimes using different accounts.  I engage with a lot of people on reddit and google+, and so do many GNOME developers.  We are not sitting idly, we do respond to feedback.

But feedback is a two way street.  Remember a lot of us here are working on GNOME on our spare time, and honestly we get to decide where the project goes because it is our time.  If you don't like how things are going then you need to follow the social convention of Free Software and get involved and help do something tangible.  The greater the contribution, the greater your feedback will be taken seriously.

I hope that you understand that we are trying to educate you in hopes that you might understand our situation.  We have treated you with respect, we expect the same.