GNOME Bugzilla – Bug 740670
orca needs minor improvements on the mate desktop
Last modified: 2018-02-08 13:15:03 UTC
Created attachment 291432 [details] debug.out file showing the various minor issues in mate, some of which could be mate itself. the mate-desktop is a fork of gnome 2 that is almost completely accessible. There are some minor issues however. The panel is mostly accessible, although sometimes orca cannot read the icons on it until you've gone over it a few times. File property information, gotten to by pressing alt+enter used to be accessible, but now say only type, selected label, size, selected label,but don't actually announce the contents of that label. Icons on the desktop are not listed as selected, so orca can't count them. The main menu, gotten to by pressing alt+f1 doesn't have a label associated with it, but it is accessible Alt tabbing for the first time, IE, after you start orca, can take an extraordinarily long for time for the first icon in the alt tab window to be announced,but afterwards is much faster. The application run dialog is navigable by the cursor, you can up and down arrow, but cannot left and right arrow through the text you type in. I'll attach a debug file showing these issues.Sorry for the verbosity
joanie, when you get a chance to look at this, would you mind maybe adding #mate on freenode to your auto connect list if you use one? It would be helpful to have an orca dev in there since the mate people know there are accessibility issues but don't really know how to make orca work better with their desktop, and I'm not much help.
I'll attach a debug log from running latest mate snapshot, being ported to use gtk3. The desktop icon view appears to be broken. This may be a mate issue, not sure. From my limited examination of the log orca is loading the gtk.py script instead of gail.py, but I'll leave it up to the experts to look at. I only tried two things. Focusing on and navigating on the desktop a bit, and opening up the file manager, switching to icon view and navigating
Created attachment 291971 [details] debug file showing latest mate built from git. This is *not* the stable mate 1.8 release. If this should be in a different bug altogether,I apologize. This is for mate 1.10, which is not yet released
Looking at your debug.out, it appears that the missing events are: * object:state-changed:focused * object:state-changed:selected * object:selection-changed One way you might be able to help the MATE developers is to do the following: 1. Capture a debug.out in 1.8 in which Orca works as expected 2. Capture a debug.out in 1.10 in which Orca does not present what is expected 3. Compare the output from 1 and 2 and see what has changed when you press an arrow
Created attachment 292740 [details] debug file describing the background list in the appearance settings this is the debug file for the background settings in the appearance settings. This may also demonstrate the alt tab issue, but if not there's another log earlier in the report
has anyone had a chance to take a look at this? I'm about to test latest mate again for issues. The mate people seemed stumped when I reported the orca issues to them
joanie, this has improved quite a bit with your last commit, where you turned off sanity checking of children. Orca still has lots of issues with the panel and with apps run as root but caja is much more accessible.
Hypra has been reporting bugs regarding MATE accessibility, and I've been fixing them. New issues should be opened (or reported on orca-list).