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Bug 706271 - allow me to specify hotkeys for workspace > 4
allow me to specify hotkeys for workspace > 4
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Product: gnome-control-center
Classification: Core
Component: Keyboard
unspecified
Other All
: Normal major
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Assigned To: Rui Matos
Control-Center Maintainers
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2013-08-18 21:00 UTC by Christoph Anton Mitterer
Modified: 2013-08-21 20:51 UTC
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Description Christoph Anton Mitterer 2013-08-18 21:00:42 UTC
Hi.

In the good old GNOME 2.x days... one was able to specify "Switch to workspace #n" hotkeys for all the workspaces one had configured.

I generally use 8, but even though I see them and they work, GNOME nowadays only offers me to configure hotkeys for the first 4.


While I understand that you don't need to show the options for workspaces that aren't used anyway e.g. in my case > 8... why don't you let people configure everything for those workspaces they've configured?


Cheers,
Chris.
Comment 1 André Klapper 2013-08-19 13:04:14 UTC
See bug 680500 comment 1

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 680500 ***
Comment 2 Christoph Anton Mitterer 2013-08-20 19:12:41 UTC
Andre, sometimes I really wonder whether you read my reports, or just look for a way to hide-close them away... if possible perhaps with removing two or three more features...


Sorry to say it that open but the decision in bug 680500 comment 1 was obviously plain wrong.
As I said in the original report, if you already allow people to have more than four workspaces (and I really fear that your next action is simply to remove that...o.O)... why don't you allow them to configure these.

And as I said, you could simply only show the keybindings for those many workspaces that are currently in use... that way you could prevent "confusion" of GNOME's apparent target users idiots.


Sorry guys... why do you intentionally make life of users so difficult? Is it that you want to create a Windows clone where noone can do anything? I really can't get it.


Given that the problem hasn't been fixed, reopening.
Comment 3 André Klapper 2013-08-20 19:25:32 UTC
(In reply to comment #2)
> Andre, sometimes I really wonder whether you read my reports, or just look for
> a way to hide-close them away...

I read them if they are structured and not extremely long.

> Sorry to say it that open but the decision in bug 680500 comment 1 was
> obviously plain wrong.

Then the place to discuss would be bug 680500, however showing another 8 entries indeed sounds like bad design and this request like a WONTFIX.
You've been shown an acceptable workaround, and GNOME will not clutter the UI with stuff that only a very small number of users needs.
Comment 4 Christoph Anton Mitterer 2013-08-20 21:21:37 UTC
btw: Regarding "that only a very small number of users needs"...

Being a computer scientist and working at a university full of other scientists, where all that used or (up to now) still use GNOME, are constantly cursing at the ever ongoing removal of features and targeting of the system toward dumb users... I just wondered myself the following:

Do you have any valid statistics which would bake this statement, i.e. that no users would need that?
Comment 5 André Klapper 2013-08-21 08:28:19 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> targeting of the system toward dumb users...

You've been told before that you can still define hotkeys. Just not via the UI. Not sure why you continue argumenting on wrong assumptions and start to insult part of the userbase. Anyway, getting offtopic here. I'm out.
Comment 6 Christoph Anton Mitterer 2013-08-21 18:06:01 UTC
I don't think that _I_ am the one who insults users... I absolutely believe that even the poorest beginners would be well capable to cope with such options/functionality being exported in a proper way.


Actually it's just what GNOME does right now, that causes confusion, namely hiding such stuff in a barely documented registry like database, where end-users will search around and turn all kinds of gears (they shouldn't) to get what they want.


Just google for it and you will find countless of "recipes" and "howtos" where people try to find answers how they can configure some of the most basic stuff in GNOME.


Anyway... as you said this is going into the philosophical track and it's probably not me changing GNOMEs mind to come back to the right way,... but rather the competitors that will replace it ;)
Comment 7 André Klapper 2013-08-21 20:51:03 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> Just google for it and you will find countless of "recipes" and "howtos" where
> people try to find answers how they can configure some of the most basic stuff
> in GNOME.

As a reminder (which seems to be needed for a lot of your offtopic highlevel comments): Your bug report was about specifying hotkeys for more than 4 workspaces.
Searching for "gnome hotkey more 4 workspaces" on the interwebs I failed to find "countless" examples, nearly all stuff I found was from 2011 and earlier (GNOME 2 with a way more confusing UI when it comes to exposing workspaces to users which have never dealt with them).