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Bug 695298 - swiss card deck proposal
swiss card deck proposal
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Product: aisleriot
Classification: Other
Component: artwork
unspecified
Other All
: Normal normal
: gnome-3-10
Assigned To: aisleriot-maint
aisleriot-maint
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2013-03-06 14:58 UTC by mariotomo
Modified: 2013-05-25 19:23 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: ---


Attachments
complete card deck, only missing the jokers (589.30 KB, application/x-gzip)
2013-03-08 10:00 UTC, mariotomo
Details
same as previous, but schields a bit more varied (585.38 KB, application/x-gzip)
2013-03-09 08:56 UTC, mariotomo
Details
my candidate release proposal for Swiss deck (598.03 KB, application/x-gzip)
2013-03-12 20:32 UTC, mariotomo
Details

Description mariotomo 2013-03-06 14:58:39 UTC
from a book that holds some reproductions of old card patterns ("De Geschiedenis van de Speelkaart", by Han Hanssen, published by Elmar b.v., Rijswijk 1985) I have digitized a Swiss card set. well, just the court cards, for the rest I had to work quite a bit, taking inspiration on reproductions more modern cards, but really copying nothing.
the set is usable according to me, it's not "perfect", but I favour the "bazaar" style and thought I would share it with the rest of the world before I'm convinced my work is finished.
the artwork for the "rosen" and the "eicheln" is based on some public domain svg taken from openclipart (see the works contributed by warszawianka), the eicheln is botanically completely wrong, since I attached them to a fern, the "rosen" has been approved by a botanic friend!
shields and bells need more work
Aces need some decoration and should hold TWO large copies of the suit base symbol.
Comment 1 mariotomo 2013-03-06 15:00:23 UTC
forgot to say, the card set was used somewhere in Switzerland, around the end of the 17th century. colours are my own choice, for the sake of immediate recognizability.
Comment 2 mariotomo 2013-03-08 10:00:50 UTC
Created attachment 238368 [details]
complete card deck, only missing the jokers

I've been working at the card deck, I considered these as facts:
- traditionally Swiss cards went 1-9 plus 3 court cards (more specifically: Banner, Daus, 3-9, Under, Ober, König).
- French cards have 13 cards per suit, Swiss have 12.
- when using French cards in Swiss games one uses 10 for Banner, Ace for Daus, the rest quite naturally.

I decided to avoid confusion between Daus and 2, drawing each Daus as a decorated 2 and making the 2 clearly out of sequence card.

currently the cards are quite usable according to me, maybe some work could be done on the following items:

- Banner is based on a double headed deck.
- bells could be more appealing

but I would need some real-world examples to take inspiration from. apart from digital replica of Daus, Banner and court cards, I have never seen a Swiss card deck!

references:
http://i-p-c-s.org/pattern/swiss-g.html
http://a_pollett.tripod.com/cards10.htm
Comment 3 Christian Persch 2013-03-08 17:32:04 UTC
This looks very nice :-)

The 2's look rather out of place though. Since the 1's clearly are having two items in a very decorative way, maybe just putting 2 items in the same style as 3..10 into the 2's would be distinctive enough?

Don't worry too much about the lack of jokers; very few games in aisleriot use the jokers at all.
Comment 4 mariotomo 2013-03-09 08:56:23 UTC
Created attachment 238449 [details]
same as previous, but schields a bit more varied

Christian, what you suggest for the 2 is also the first thing I tried... but I did not like the graphical effect: the card resulted far too empty according to me (and probably also according to the people who originally designed the deck).

this "according to me" might be connected with me coming from the Neapolitan area, where the design of our cards is such to fill all available space (nothing like the Tuscanian aces). Actually 3s and 4s in this deck already feel rather "empty", I can't imagine drawing the 2s accordingly!!!

so what I tried to achieve is partially exactly what you remark, the "out of place" effect, the other aspect was a balanced emptiness filling.

what I'd rather do, rather than keep the "empty" design for 3-5 and extend it to the 2, is push the symbols a bit upwards in these cards ("crowd them") and add some decorative scene below (this is also what happens in the real decks). but this is a "sooner or later", after I've visited some museum or library with historical —and out of copyright— material.

about the jokers, actually Schellen-Under and the Eicheln-Under are quite usable as jokers themselves. obviously not in this deck, but they quite fit other decks I am working at.
Comment 5 Christian Persch 2013-03-12 18:56:15 UTC
Ok :-)
Comment 6 mariotomo 2013-03-12 20:32:11 UTC
Created attachment 238736 [details]
my candidate release proposal for Swiss deck

as I wrote I would do, I sort of filled in the blanks in 3,4,5 Schellen and Schilten. the scenes are taken from openclipart and I chose to use fencing scenes for Schilten because the suit is associated to en:spades (it:spade).

the coins on the Schellen are because in Skat de:Schellen is associated with en:Diamonds, which in general is associated with it:Denari. Historically it probably would be more correct to associate it with it:Coppe (it's de:Rosen that is associated with it:Denari), but if you ever decide to use this deck for playing Skat, cups on Schellen would only confuse you.

I also optimized the design of the back.
Comment 7 Christian Persch 2013-05-25 19:23:30 UTC
I have pushed this to git master for 3.9.0. Thanks for the contribution! :-)