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Bug 650550 - gnome-tweak-tool should be reachable from gnome-control-center
gnome-tweak-tool should be reachable from gnome-control-center
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Product: gnome-tweak-tool
Classification: Applications
Component: general
3.0.x
Other Linux
: Normal normal
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Assigned To: GNOME Tweak Tool maintainer(s)
GNOME Tweak Tool maintainer(s)
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2011-05-19 07:49 UTC by Nicolas
Modified: 2011-12-20 02:14 UTC
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Description Nicolas 2011-05-19 07:49:23 UTC
For now I have to launch it from a terminal or alt-F2.
It would be nice to have a shortcut into gnome-control-center.

I'm on Arch 64 bits with gnome 3 and gnome-shell enabled.
Comment 1 John Stowers 2011-05-19 08:50:39 UTC
It should show in the search in the overview. If it does not then it is an arch bug (something to do with the categories in the desktop file IIRC).

The g-c-c developers and I have agreed that it should not be reachable from g-c-c as it is an advanced tool
Comment 2 Nicolas 2011-05-22 07:43:30 UTC
You're right, it is showed in the overview if I make a search.
But I don't entirely agree with you. If gnome-tweak-tool is an advanced tool then you should propose something less advanced for users who wants to customize their interface. Gnome-shell don't give a lot of choices for an end-user for now.

Basics end-users also wants to customize the look of their desktop, but they want it to be easy to do.

This is not the case now because if they want to customize the look, they have to do it through gnome-tweak-tool. Gnome-tweak-tool is an advanced tool because you made it like it.
Comment 3 John Stowers 2011-05-22 08:44:46 UTC
> This is not the case now because if they want to customize the look, they have
> to do it through gnome-tweak-tool. Gnome-tweak-tool is an advanced tool because
> you made it like it.

I am open to discussion on how to improve the interface of gnome-tweak-tool
Comment 4 Nicolas 2011-05-22 09:46:47 UTC
I think to be more end-user friendly it only needs to re-organize options. I'll give my opinion :
when gnome-tweak-tool is launched the "homepage" display to the user the most used (and the less technical) options like :
- changing the theme
- changing icons
- changing cursor
- text size (what you named "text scaling factor)
- you'd also add an option to change the wallpaper
- you'd also add an option to change the size of the three bars (dash, the one on the top and the one on the bottom)

In that page, you don't have a left menu like now with Window, Shell, Interface ... but you have an "advanced" tab at the top of the page and maybe the "homepage" like I named it is the first tab named "general").

In the advanced tab, you have the pretty same organisation than now with a left menu with some entries and the related options.

I also would like to see 2 options moved in the "power" config window of the gnome-control-center instead of gnome-tweaking-tool:
- laptop lid close action on battery
- laptop lid close when on ac

Once this is done, gnome-tweaking-tool should be more accessible to the end-user :
- be part of the "gnome" meta package or gnome-extra so when you install gnome, it is automatically installed
- be reachable from the gnome-control-center
- be reachable from right click on 
    - the desktop
    - when you are in the "overview

If you can modify the wallpaper from the gnome-tweaking-tool, you also should remove the actual "background" icon in the gnome-control-center and entry in the right-click on the wallpaper.

This is only my opinion and maybe all of these ideas are not good but I'm convinced that the current customization options are not as well accessible nor organized as they should be neither as good as we can find on other desktop interfaces.

Regards,
nm
Comment 5 John Stowers 2011-05-22 10:01:31 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> I think to be more end-user friendly it only needs to re-organize options. I'll
> give my opinion :
> when gnome-tweak-tool is launched the "homepage" display to the user the most
> used (and the less technical) options like :
> - changing the theme
> - changing icons
> - changing cursor
> - text size (what you named "text scaling factor)

Remembering frequently/recently changed settings might be a good idea.

> - you'd also add an option to change the wallpaper

I dont want to duplicate settings found in control-center.

> - you'd also add an option to change the size of the three bars (dash, the one
> on the top and the one on the bottom)

Not technically possible.

> 
> In that page, you don't have a left menu like now with Window, Shell, Interface
> ... but you have an "advanced" tab at the top of the page and maybe the
> "homepage" like I named it is the first tab named "general").
> 
> In the advanced tab, you have the pretty same organisation than now with a left
> menu with some entries and the related options.

I don't like two-mode interfaces (simple / advanced). We already have that distinction in the tools, simple=g-c-c, advanced=g-t-t
> 
> I also would like to see 2 options moved in the "power" config window of the
> gnome-control-center instead of gnome-tweaking-tool:
> - laptop lid close action on battery
> - laptop lid close when on ac

Please file a bug with gnome-control-center

> 
> Once this is done, gnome-tweaking-tool should be more accessible to the
> end-user :
> - be part of the "gnome" meta package or gnome-extra so when you install gnome,
> it is automatically installed

That is a distributor decision, not a GNOME decision.

> - be reachable from the gnome-control-center

As I said, I don't think this will happen.

> - be reachable from right click on 
>     - the desktop

I dont thing right click desktop menu is planned.

>     - when you are in the "overview

I think searching from the overview covers this case.

> 
> If you can modify the wallpaper from the gnome-tweaking-tool, you also should
> remove the actual "background" icon in the gnome-control-center and entry in
> the right-click on the wallpaper.

The change background thing only exists in nautilus, and the shell plan does not involve a right click on desktop menu IIRC.

> 
> This is only my opinion and maybe all of these ideas are not good but I'm
> convinced that the current customization options are not as well accessible nor
> organized as they should be neither as good as we can find on other desktop
> interfaces.

Thanks for your comments. I will look into some of the UI suggestions you made. 

However, one thing to understand is the role of g-t-t. It is designed to expose advanced settings for the advanced user. The defaults should be sufficient for the common user. I dont want to get into the habit of second guessing and undermining the gnome-shell design, so that is why I keep g-t-t visually different to g-c-c and in a different application.
Comment 6 l300lvl 2011-12-20 02:14:51 UTC
I was just curious as to who actually decides what is linked to in g-c-c? If that is not your decision, should this 'bug' not be pointed at those devs?

While the defaults 'should' be sufficient, the majority of those I personally know would not. But that is beyond any point here, the real point is, I would have to consider the g-c-c to be for advanced users to begin with, so this would fall under that category.