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Bug 599880 - Netherlands > Utrecht Missing as Location
Netherlands > Utrecht Missing as Location
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Product: libgweather
Classification: Core
Component: locations
2.28.x
Other Linux
: Normal enhancement
: future
Assigned To: libgweather-maint
libgweather-maint
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2009-10-28 09:03 UTC by Dr. Snuggels
Modified: 2017-12-12 01:02 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: ---


Attachments
locations: Add Utrecht (935 bytes, patch)
2017-12-12 01:01 UTC, Bastien Nocera
committed Details | Review

Description Dr. Snuggels 2009-10-28 09:03:48 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utrecht_%28city%29#Demographics

Utrecht city had a population of 296,305 in 2007. Utrecht is a growing municipality and projections are that the city's population will surpass 350,000 by 2017

Please add this city to the list as well. Its the 5th biggest city of our tiny country.
Comment 1 Roel Kramer 2009-12-15 22:10:04 UTC
Utrecht, in fact, is the 4th biggest city of the netherlands and has a population of 300.030 in jan 2009. I really would like to see this city added. Province Utrecht has the most important weather station (http://www.knmi.nl) of the Netherlands, in a de bilt. The knmi is only 4,3 km from the city center and is used for the utrecht weather forecasts.
Comment 2 Roel Kramer 2009-12-15 22:24:51 UTC
A small update. I read the "Please do not:" part on the frontpage a bit later.. 

I checked all the entries for NL. It seems like every weather station, except Volkel, works. Volkel doesn't show any information.

The rest of the weather stations are important enough, they are spread across the whole country.
Comment 3 Frank Solensky 2009-12-16 13:44:28 UTC
Is there a specific ICAO code that we can use to get readings from this weather station?  The list at http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/metar.shtml is the one that we go by though there have been instances of weather stations that just don't show up in that list.

http://www.weather.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml is a web-based interface to retrieve station codes as well.
Comment 4 Roel Kramer 2009-12-16 23:17:29 UTC
On wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_by_ICAO_code:_E#EH_-_Netherlands) I found this code: EHDB

After playing with the second url, I found this:
http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/nsd_lookup.pl?station=EHDB

Is this all the info you needed?
Comment 5 Frank Solensky 2009-12-17 04:51:36 UTC
That would be good (a patch to Locations.xml.in would be better), but when I enter the code at http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/metar.shtml I'm told that there isn't any current observation.  A few years back we had all of the stations included but many of them seldom if ever provided reports.  I suspect that this may have been one of the stations that was dropped during that effort.

I'll try entering the code again over the next few days to see if this is an intermittent problem that just happened to be occur while we're talking about them; also see if I can find the station pruning bug to see if this was included.
Comment 6 Frank Solensky 2009-12-17 05:07:27 UTC
Bug #166014 was the bug that removed a large number of non-reporting stations; EHDB was one of the stations that never reported during the three month period.
Comment 7 Roel Kramer 2009-12-17 08:37:01 UTC
I found out the same. I did a bit of research and there are a few sites (Like: http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/EHDB) which gather the information from EHDB. It looks like they use METAR data. I contacted them, maybe they can give some more information.
Comment 8 Roel Kramer 2009-12-17 08:48:22 UTC
I received an answer from the guy behind gladstonefamily.net:

--
The data comes in a synop feed for site 06260. This is fairly widely
available online. If this doesn't help the weather applet people, then
they can reach out to me.

Philip
--

Maybe this helps? And from which sites do you collect the data.. only from noaa.gov? Or is it possible to add others as well? Maybe ehdb doesn't want to give data to a foreign organisation like noaa for some reason.
Comment 9 Frank Solensky 2009-12-17 13:34:26 UTC
Very much so, yes!  The current observations come from only from noaa.gov since that's pretty much the only URL we know about that doesn't also put restrictions on either accessing or redistributing the data.  Your link eventually lead me to http://madis.noaa.gov as another possible resource; I'll have to carefully read their data use policy (http://madis.noaa.gov/data_application.html) to see if this app would be considered consistent with their intent (Dan, Vincent: any thoughts?).
Comment 10 Dan Winship 2009-12-17 14:42:55 UTC
The fact that they want you to provide "the name and address of the machine from which you will be logging on to the MADIS FTP or Web Services servers" suggests that they don't intend for people to publish software that other people would use that would download their data. You could ask them though...
Comment 11 Roel Kramer 2009-12-17 15:45:31 UTC
So it is possible to gather data from other sources for certain stations? If so: I would like to have a look around for a (reliable) data source.

And the format should be METAR?
Comment 12 Dan Winship 2009-12-17 16:44:55 UTC
libgweather is not currently set up to have multiple sources of current-weather information, though this is in large part due to the fact that we've never known of any source of freely-usable data that was better than NOAA. In theory, yes, it could get weather for some stations from different sources. (In practice, this could potentially be quite a lot of work.)

The data source would need to be freely-usable, machine parseable (ideally METAR, yes, but in theory, it could be XML or something), and reliable (ie, provided by a government agency or stable commercial entity, not running on an old Pentium 90 in your closet). http://live.gnome.org/LibGWeather/ForecastsAndRadar has some pointers on what to be looking for from the perspective of forecast/radar data, but the issues are similar.
Comment 13 Roel Kramer 2009-12-21 11:21:56 UTC
I just send the KNMI(=ehdb) an email if they have metar data available. I also asked why it's not available on noaa.gov. I hope this helps!
Comment 14 Bastien Nocera 2017-12-12 01:01:14 UTC
Created attachment 365397 [details] [review]
locations: Add Utrecht

No specific weather station, as the De Bilt airport METAR reporting
doesn't work, so it'll likely pick up Schiphol weather instead.
Comment 15 Bastien Nocera 2017-12-12 01:02:10 UTC
Attachment 365397 [details] pushed as 5b1211a - locations: Add Utrecht