GNOME Bugzilla – Bug 455415
Enabling pop-up notifications related to Jack Retasking
Last modified: 2007-09-09 09:56:14 UTC
Details on Jack Retasking are available at http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-009244.htm and http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/hdaudio.htm. This is an RFE to enable a pop up notification that provides visual cues to the user when Jack retasking is undertaken. Currently although Jack retasking is supposed to work, the user does not have visual cues that retasking has already happened
(In reply to comment #0)
> Details on Jack Retasking are available at
> http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-009244.htm and
> http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/hdaudio.htm. This is an RFE to enable a
> pop up notification that provides visual cues to the user when Jack retasking
> is undertaken. Currently although Jack retasking is supposed to work, the user
> does not have visual cues that retasking has already happened
Is anyone interested in this ?
Actually, we could have a sound that says "if you want to use the microphone, say 'microphone' in the microphone". And use grecord to record the reply, that would then be analyzed by the new gnome-voice-recognition applet!
Lucas is fan of this idea. He'd like to make use of the vumeter in some way.
I propose we discuss this in the next membership committee meeting.
(This message was brought to you by the drunk Danilo)
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german audio version
we need proper i18n support for this one, so i attach a german version of the term "microphone". please continue.
dear technical boogmasters, i need a "guadec birmingham" showstopper entry in the "gnome target" dropdown menu here. please also try to completely rewrite the weather for istanbul.
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Thanks Andre for the German translation. Here's the first of a bunch of other translations.
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Sound from Youness Alaoui.
In fact, it should be ar_MA@Canada
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Another german translation
Another german version, because Andre's German is far from being perfect. Really, he needs more practice.
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Another language, because, really we need more translations!
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English from Germany
There are few native english speakers in Germany. Well, I've been told so.
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I don't know anybody using this language...
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Spanish from Chile
Chile is great.
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I think this was the last person speaking this language who recorded this sound. A few hundreds year ago. He knew about the bug. I don't know how, though.
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They like snow.
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Avec des frites et des gaufres !
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The most important language in Quebec.
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This guy wanted to eat a pizza, but we tricked him into recording the sound instead. Aren't we good?
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Beware, this is in Cyrillic!
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This tiny guy with a beard (a GNOME?) was around here. He spoke some weird language, so we just assumed it was swedish.
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This is a training for the next guadec.
We need to be careful with adding translations which don't have official teams listed on http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ — we need to have someone who will be able to fix bugs in translations!
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Peruvian language that might be similar to spanish
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Dutch. Well. Kind of.
This was a belgian thinking he can speak dutch.
Sankarshan: can you do the indian translation?
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german version (dance remix)
actually vincent is wrong, but actually right. my first patch was only a partial one and leaked. therefore attaching a correct patch. sorry for the noise.
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Accessible version for those who can't hear
A11y is very important for Gnome.
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It's important to not forget about accessibility. People with visual impairments will want to use this new feature.
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Doc Searls might want to use this version.
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czech version (beta)
my czech is pretty bad, but better we have a bad version than no support at all for this beautiful little country with cheap beer, tasty dumplings and beautiful girls.
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(In reply to comment #2)
> Actually, we could have a sound that says "if you want to use the microphone,
> say 'microphone' in the microphone". And use grecord to record the reply, that
> would then be analyzed by the new gnome-voice-recognition applet!
What happens if the microphone does not work ? It actually does not for me with Fedora 7 :)
But yes, I will get the Bengali India (bn_IN) and other Indic versions done.
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enhanced accessibility version for those who can't hear and can't read
it could be also a completely helpful new approach to disabled people. perhaps if we could this one into the notification popup mockup?
(legal disclaimer: pictures taken from http://flickr.com/photos/robinho/ and http://flickr.com/photos/e2/ under a http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/deed.de and http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/deed.de license.)
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Esperanto version, for internationalist types :)
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Southern British English
For the refined, non-northern types :)
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Here's a Swiss German version (in the Zürich dialect). There should at least be one version for each of the 26 cantons.
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Spanish from Spain
Can be also used as neutral es, let's say: es and es_ES.
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This is the Brazilian Portuguese translation.
Maintainers, can we get a review please?
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Polish locale (pl_PL@wlatcy-moch)
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I tried asking this directly by email to a person but got no reply, so I'm asking it here...
Is this a real bug or just some GUADEC attendees' private joke?
I need to know if I have to get a mic and find a way to record sound and encode oggs or if I can disregard this issue altogether.
Thank you for clarifying.
It's a guadec joke, for all I know. :-).
uhmm...what? don't tell me we've wasted hours of worktime on a joke... :-/
No, the bug is not a joke.
Then please give a summary of what the hell you want to accomplish with these i18n'ed sounds that pronounce variations of "microphone" in bunches of $LANGs, and what that has to do with jack (not part of gnome), retasking and pop-ups and how drunk Danilo fits in there.
Sorry Ronald, the comments and attachments are all GUADEC joke, but as far as I know the original bug is not. Vincent had no idea what the bug is about either, but it was just a random bug he picked.
(In reply to comment #48)
> Then please give a summary of what the hell you want to accomplish with these
> i18n'ed sounds that pronounce variations of "microphone" in bunches of $LANGs,
> and what that has to do with jack (not part of gnome), retasking and pop-ups
> and how drunk Danilo fits in there.
> I'm confused.
Since I filed the bug, here's what my expectations were (before it became the GUADEC joke that is). With jack retasking being a common feature of boards shipped (primarily by Intel), it would be a good-to-have thing if the user received a visual pop up notification that the jack retasking has been done/is underway ie. someone slipped in a microphone into a speaker jack or vice-versa. I think there is a mockup of the pop-up done somewhere within the attachment cascade.
We should probably open a new bug. :-). I understand the original one is not a guadec joke, most comments are. It's too much here to continue and make sense of. We can keep the other one open for laughs.
(In reply to comment #51)
> We should probably open a new bug. :-). I understand the original one is not a
> guadec joke, most comments are. It's too much here to continue and make sense
> of. We can keep the other one open for laughs.
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461684 is filed as a duplicate of this same (I hope fingers crossed that we don't end up having the same laughs)
So, what exactly is jack retasking?
(In reply to comment #53)
> So, what exactly is jack retasking?
You shove a microphone into the speaker jack and the audio bits recognise it as a device from which to process input stream.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/555-3/intel-high-definition-dio.html has some details as have the following:
On Microsoft platforms, doing a jack retask pops up a notification somewhat similar to the mockup that is attached on this thread. Would be a good visual cue for the end user in GNOME
Behdad: it was not a random bug, we were looking at gnome-media bugs.
Sankarshan: what's the point of the popup? Really, if you have jack retasking, as far as I understand it, this means that it will work. Why show a popup when you plug the microphone into the speaker jack if it's working anyway?
(In reply to comment #55)
> Sankarshan: what's the point of the popup? Really, if you have jack retasking,
> as far as I understand it, this means that it will work. Why show a popup when
> you plug the microphone into the speaker jack if it's working anyway?
The Jack Retasking thing from an input or output stream perspective makes the colored jack bits redundant. However, a pop up allows a visual clue that a device (or another device) has been plugged in without physically looking around as to what is plugged in. eg. I have a speaker plugged in, then add a microphone (the pop up does allow me to figure what all devices I have in). A pop-up information allowing the user to see at a glance about devices would be helpful is what I think.
Please don't overwhelm my desktop with useless notifications. Useless notifications are even worse than missing ones. Just because Windows does it does not mean it's the way to go (remember the "you have unused icons on your desktop" ?). How useful would be "you have inserted a cd" notification ? Just do the damn right thing and don't bother the user.
*** Bug 461684 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Jack retasking isn't supported in ALSA, there's nothing we can do here.
Does that mean all this effort will go to waste?
May I suggest that our tools should support it for other platforms or when ALSA gets that ability?
(In reply to comment #61)
> May I suggest that our tools should support it for other platforms or when ALSA
> gets that ability?
We can't design an API before it's supported by the layers below. When a non-Linux platform or ALSA supports it, then we'll be able to add this ability.