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Bug 148888 - ftp method doesn't like ~ as a path name
ftp method doesn't like ~ as a path name
Product: gnome-vfs
Classification: Deprecated
Component: Module: ftp
Other Linux
: Normal normal
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Assigned To: gnome-vfs maintainers
gnome-vfs maintainers
Depends on:
Reported: 2004-07-30 19:06 UTC by David A Knight
Modified: 2004-12-22 21:47 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: ---

support ~ in ftp:// uris (1.96 KB, patch)
2004-08-12 18:33 UTC, David A Knight
none Details | Review
improved connect dialog mockup (64.00 KB, image/png)
2004-08-16 02:06 UTC, Allison Karlitskaya (desrt)

Description David A Knight 2004-07-30 19:06:34 UTC
Trying to access the free webspace provided by Demon (uk ISP) it doesn't work
specifying ~ in the path.  gnomevfs-ls returns "Not a directory"

Manually expanding this to the full path, found out via a pwd once logged in
from the console ftp, and using that in the uri works just fine.  The problem
there is that this isn't guarenteed to stay the same, so working with ~ would be
Comment 1 Allison Karlitskaya (desrt) 2004-08-08 23:59:45 UTC
As far as I can tell (from skimming the RFC) the FTP protocol doesn't support
the concept of "home directory."

The best we can hope to do here is to respect the default cwd that we are given
at login and build paths relative to it in the case of some special character in
the path...

Personally, a URI like sort of scares me :)
Comment 2 Allison Karlitskaya (desrt) 2004-08-12 08:09:32 UTC
There's not really a clean way to do this.

Having, for example ftp://host/~/file and ftp://host/your/home/dir/file be the
same file is a bit ugly.  Unfortunately, the URI mechanism isn't good at
handling relative path names.

This is a WONTFIX.
Comment 3 David A Knight 2004-08-12 18:33:43 UTC
Created attachment 30480 [details] [review]
support ~ in ftp:// uris

The attached patch adds support for using ~ in the path.  It has one problem in
that you can't get file info for /~ or at least with the Demon server you can't
due to not having permissions outside of your home directory.  Obtaining file
info for files / other directories under ~ works fine.

I hope the wontfix decision can be reversed as this is something that is very
much needed and far more usable.  Without going outside of gnome and using
another ftp application it is impossible without this patch to use ftp://
unless you know the full path to your files.
Comment 4 Christophe Fergeau 2004-08-12 18:47:26 UTC
I think your patch won't work if the user wants to access to a directory named
'~' on the server. Moreover, if we support ~ for ftp, it needs to be implemented
for all methods for consistency imo.
Comment 5 David A Knight 2004-08-12 19:45:20 UTC
That would only refer to files in the root directory though, and is an
acceptable trade off IMO.  The patch should really check for /~/ rather than /~
as well to allow for /~filename etc.

Consistancy is a problem I guess, so it probably should be supported in any
method where a home directory can possibly exist.

~ appearing in a URI is not exceptional either, as it is seen in http with
~username being setup to be ${HOME}/public_html for instance.
Comment 6 Allison Karlitskaya (desrt) 2004-08-13 08:22:49 UTC
Having ~ in a URI is an unfortunate hack to get around a problem that should be
solved with an improved user interface.

If the correct URI for a file is then that's
the URI that it should be refered to by (always).

It seems likely that a future version of nautilus will have a 'connect to login
directory' option to make this a lot easier.
Comment 7 David A Knight 2004-08-13 13:15:37 UTC
an improved user interface? How exactly can an improved user interface provide
the location of a resource on a remote machine?

You seem to be totally ignoring my point that a user may not even know the
correct URI for their files / directories and do not know how to find it out.

I presume by nautilus that would be libgnomeui, but does that mean that the ftp
module will provide a control method to return the login path?  If not it is
impossible for any gnome-vfs using application to transfer files / directories
to / from that location as they do not know the path.
Comment 8 Christophe Fergeau 2004-08-13 13:19:02 UTC
Here is a part of the IRC conversation related to that:
<alex> ~ expansion should always be done in apps
<alex> and in the case of ftp ~ doesn't even always exist
<desrt> alex; i think there needs to be some kind of an API to get the "default"
folder on a server
<desrt> then nautilus could come up with an easy way for the user to navigate to it
<desrt> teuf; it was requested as home directory... but ftp doesn't support
"home directory"... so, it turned into "default directory"
<alex> sure, there could be some such API to help nautilus
Comment 9 Allison Karlitskaya (desrt) 2004-08-16 02:06:55 UTC
Created attachment 30574 [details]
improved connect dialog mockup

David: This is what I had in mind in terms of the UI.  This, of course, would
be supported with new API from gnome-vfs (possibly circa 2.9)