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Bug 115979 - GOK should appear in Applications menu
GOK should appear in Applications menu
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Product: gok
Classification: Deprecated
Component: general
unspecified
Other All
: Normal major
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Assigned To: David Bolter
David Bolter
2.4-UI-FREEZE
Depends on: 116379
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2003-06-25 23:46 UTC by Calum Benson
Modified: 2004-12-22 21:47 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: ---


Attachments
gok.desktop.in (251 bytes, text/plain)
2003-06-26 13:33 UTC, David Bolter
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revised gok.desktop.in and Makefile.am patch (1.96 KB, patch)
2003-06-28 17:42 UTC, bill.haneman
none Details | Review
gok.png image for above (icon for menu) (1.22 KB, image/png)
2003-06-28 17:43 UTC, bill.haneman
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bolder version of icon which survives scaling down a bit better. (1.34 KB, image/png)
2003-06-28 17:57 UTC, bill.haneman
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Horizontal icon with no text (1022 bytes, image/png)
2003-06-30 21:24 UTC, Calum Benson
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Vertical icon with no text (907 bytes, image/png)
2003-06-30 21:25 UTC, Calum Benson
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Horizontal icon, no text (473 bytes, image/png)
2003-06-30 21:33 UTC, Calum Benson
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Vertical icon, no text (495 bytes, image/png)
2003-06-30 21:34 UTC, Calum Benson
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Table-perspective version... (3.06 KB, image/png)
2003-06-30 22:10 UTC, Calum Benson
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This might be a sneaky way to get the text in... (1.48 KB, image/png)
2003-06-30 22:27 UTC, Calum Benson
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Description Calum Benson 2003-06-25 23:46:25 UTC
GOK needs to install an appropriate .desktop file so it appears on the
GNOME Applications menu.  Consensus seemed to be that
Applications->Accessibility->On-Screen Keyboard would be an appropriate
menu item for it.  (The actual application name, GOK in this case, isn't
supposed to be shown in the menus for core GNOME components, according to
the HIG).
Comment 1 David Bolter 2003-06-26 02:06:49 UTC
Music to my ears.  I've been waiting a long time for this request :-)
Comment 2 bill.haneman 2003-06-26 12:22:28 UTC
should do this before UI freeze July 7.
Comment 3 David Bolter 2003-06-26 13:22:38 UTC
taking a crack at this one...
Comment 4 David Bolter 2003-06-26 13:33:37 UTC
Created attachment 17805 [details]
gok.desktop.in
Comment 5 David Bolter 2003-06-26 13:34:48 UTC
I attached my attempt at a gok.desktop.in  Could someone see if I am
on the right track here?  If there is currently no
applications;accessiblity submenu will one be created?
Comment 6 bill.haneman 2003-06-28 17:41:50 UTC
David - the accessibility submenu doesn't get created, in this case
GOK ends up in the 'Other' submenu of 'Applications'.  I am not sure
who we need to talk to in order to create the 'Accessibility' submenu.

I attach a patch which tweaks your desktop.in file a bit, and also
installs a GOK icon.  I will also attach my GOK icon just for
experimentation, I think it works OK in the Applications menu but of
course feel free to replace it.
Comment 7 bill.haneman 2003-06-28 17:42:53 UTC
Created attachment 17862 [details] [review]
revised gok.desktop.in and Makefile.am patch
Comment 8 bill.haneman 2003-06-28 17:43:32 UTC
Created attachment 17863 [details]
gok.png image for above (icon for menu)
Comment 9 bill.haneman 2003-06-28 17:47:42 UTC
Note that the icon is sort of 'app specific' since it includes the
letters 'G', 'O', and 'K'.  Perhaps it should be 'O', 'S', 'K' instead ?

Also the icon, when reduced to the size of a menu item, is pretty
flat. Not sure how to represent this visual metaphor in such a small
icon however. 
Comment 10 bill.haneman 2003-06-28 17:57:09 UTC
Created attachment 17865 [details]
bolder version of icon which survives scaling down a bit better.
Comment 11 bill.haneman 2003-06-30 12:54:14 UTC
fixed, "mostly" - there's no "Accessibility" submenu yet, so GOK ends
up in "Other".

Calum, can you advise on the menu restructuring?
Comment 12 Calum Benson 2003-06-30 20:42:19 UTC
Apparently we need a change to gnome-vfs to get the Accessibility
menu, filed as bug #116379.
Comment 13 Calum Benson 2003-06-30 21:23:33 UTC
Hmm, couple of potential issues with the icon:
- it's an odd size (most are 48x48)
- it has text in it, which the HIG advises against

Personally I think it would work quite well as an abstract image
without the text-- realistically, it's nearly always going to be seen
in the menu or the Alt-Tab popup where it has text beside it anyway. 
I'm attaching a couple of variations that use the closest colours from
the GNOME palette, and add the usual GNOME drop-shadow.  (I think I
like the horizontal arrangement better as they look more like buttons
that way.)

Doing a high contrast version without the text would admittedly be a
challenge though... :o)
Comment 14 Calum Benson 2003-06-30 21:24:23 UTC
Created attachment 17936 [details]
Horizontal icon with no text
Comment 15 Calum Benson 2003-06-30 21:25:02 UTC
Created attachment 17937 [details]
Vertical icon with no text
Comment 16 Calum Benson 2003-06-30 21:32:42 UTC
D'oh, attached ones that were still the wrong size after all that,
here's the 48x48 versions...
Comment 17 Calum Benson 2003-06-30 21:33:45 UTC
Created attachment 17938 [details]
Horizontal icon, no text
Comment 18 Calum Benson 2003-06-30 21:34:27 UTC
Created attachment 17939 [details]
Vertical icon, no text
Comment 19 bill.haneman 2003-06-30 21:55:02 UTC
Calum: I like the icons, but think they _do_ need to include text (for
the same reason gucharmap's icon includes a glyph).  It doesn't matter
what language the text is in, etc. as long as there are recognizable
glyphs on the buttons.

Without text I think the icon is meaningless or at best cryptic.
Perhaps we need only two buttons rather than three, for visibility?

I also think the icon makes more visual sense if it's not square (it
can be 48x48 technically but with a significant number of transparent
pixels top and bottom).
Comment 20 bill.haneman 2003-06-30 22:04:17 UTC
agreed, the horizontal version (when made nearly square, as you have
done) does look more like buttons.  Still, can we at least suggest
glyphs on the buttons?
Comment 21 Calum Benson 2003-06-30 22:10:01 UTC
You could also do something even more abstract like this one, since
app icons are (according to the HIG) supposed to have "table"
perspective...

I think we probably could argue for text in this case if we wanted to,
since the HIG only really frowns on words, and "GOK" (or "OSK") isn't
a real word in any language I know of.  Expect complaints though :) 
(Although if people who really need this are going to have it turned
on all the time, they're probably never going to see the icon anywhere
anyway, having turned it on at login or from the AT setup dialog, so I
confess to being  not overly convinced...)
Comment 22 Calum Benson 2003-06-30 22:10:47 UTC
Created attachment 17941 [details]
Table-perspective version...
Comment 23 bill.haneman 2003-06-30 22:14:16 UTC
weird but fun ;-)
Comment 24 Calum Benson 2003-06-30 22:27:54 UTC
Created attachment 17943 [details]
This might be a sneaky way to get the text in...
Comment 25 David Bolter 2003-07-01 00:11:27 UTC
How about klingon glyphs on the buttons?  I wonder what the glyphs are
for gagh?  Sounds like "gok"...

Calum, your icons look really polished - what do you use?
Comment 26 Calum Benson 2003-07-01 13:04:35 UTC
I just use GIMP, or Photoshop if I'm desperate :)
Comment 27 Calum Benson 2003-07-06 22:05:24 UTC
BTW, I think the category in the .desktop file needs to be
"Application", not "Applications"...
Comment 28 Calum Benson 2003-07-06 22:29:09 UTC
Ah, not to worry, I see you've got it right in cvs :)