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Bug 86322 - Menu editing super bug
Menu editing super bug
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Product: gnome-vfs
Classification: Deprecated
Component: Module: vfolder
unspecified
Other other
: High normal
: ---
Assigned To: Alex Graveley
Alex Graveley
: 90456 91114 (view as bug list)
Depends on: 73770 73773 76394 77848 89613 89616 89618 90160 90162 90168 90202 90205 90206 90270 90575 90628 90880 90884 90958 91271 91425 91810 91811
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2002-06-24 10:42 UTC by mike
Modified: 2004-12-22 21:47 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: 2.0



Description mike 2002-06-24 10:42:51 UTC
The issue of menu-editing encompasses gnome-vfs, gnome-panel, nautilus, 
eel and probably a few other modules.

Therefore I have opened this bug as a placeholder for all of the various 
issues, as I have done loads of investigation.

I have cc'd to the three main maintainers.
Comment 1 mike 2002-06-24 12:31:45 UTC
As has been discussed menu editing has been temporarily disabled for 
gnome 2.0

The current situation as I see it is

The basic system is now functioning - ie:vfolders, desktop 
files, .directory files.

However I think the problem is actually in the code for 
creating/editing menu entries.

The code at present seems to not create a "Categories" entry so gnome-
vfs does not know where the .desktop should go.

As the same code is used for the panel and nautilus applications, 
this would probably fix the remaining problem

#73773 seems to be a purely gnome-vfs issue as there does seem no way 
to create/edit categories from the gui.

Comment 2 mike 2002-06-25 12:26:52 UTC
I now think I know where the main problem comes from

All of the menu edit/create stuff comes from the code to create a 
launcher on the desktop

Initially the launcher code did not have any function to add a 
categories line because not strictly neccessary for the desktop.

However this same code was used for the panel/nautilus create/edit 
menus stuff.

So the solution IMHO is (cant code C I am afraid) is to alter the 
code to 

1. look for a categories line
2. If it is not there, add the line
3. For legacy apps, look at the path of the .desktop file and do some 
translation eg: /Internet/mozilla.desktop to Application;Network


Comment 3 Luis Villa 2002-06-25 21:23:21 UTC
Urgh. I hate not just closing this, but... has to be done.
Comment 4 mike 2002-07-09 11:21:41 UTC
String an ui string freeze is a week away. Nothing positive seems to 
have been done on menu editing as yet
Comment 5 mike 2002-07-16 11:59:36 UTC
Obviously it has been decided that menu editing is NOT to be
implemented at all for some reason

This is the only possible conclusion as since 2.0, 

all vestiges of the menu editing code have been removed
not one menu editing bug has been touched
properties has been removed from the menus

So the question is why is this bug still triaged as 2.01, if there is
no intention to have menu editing, all related bugs may as be closed
with a WONTFIX

Also can anyone explain any reason to maintain an up-to-date less
functional gnome2 environment?

Yes I know it is free software, but I was under the impression that
gnome was supposed to have some sort of development process, which
triaging of bugs was part of.
Comment 6 Dave Camp 2002-07-16 12:49:48 UTC
Mike, you're not helping.  Insulting our development process won't get
anything done faster.  Please consider either helping to fix the
problem or just letting us work without a constant stream of
complaints and insults.
Comment 7 mike 2002-07-16 13:08:52 UTC
Duh - constant stream? - your definition must be different to mine

I have mailed twice to desktop-devel, annoted this bug a couple of times

Hate to remind you but it was mainly me who wrote the release notes
about menu editing

My web page about menu editing gets about 12-13MB a day, showing there
is a need

My point stands though - if this is not going to be in 2.0.1, and the
development has gone in the opposite direction, all menu bugs should
be marked as WONTFIX, so at least people know that if they want to be
able to edit menus, they should not update gnome-panel and nautilus

Thought I was on gnome, not KDE
Comment 8 mike 2002-07-18 01:55:26 UTC
Hate doing this - but from the comments I have recieved this is not
regarded as anything significant so need to to close this as WONTFIX
so at least people realise that it wont be fixed

Very sad
Comment 9 Dave Camp 2002-07-18 02:14:54 UTC
There are people working on this problem.

In general you should leave WONTFIXing to maintainers.

"Won't be fixed for 2.0.1" is not the same as WONTFIX.  Even if it
were certain that this wouldn't be fixed for 2.0.1, resolving as
WONTFIX would be the wrong course of action.

This is the only bug related to this issue that I happen to be CCed
on, please reopen any other bugs you have closed.
Comment 10 mike 2002-07-18 03:30:26 UTC
>>There are people working on this problem.

Not to my knowledge - and I have been flamed a few times for reminding
people about this issue

>>In general you should leave WONTFIXing to maintainers.

My bug - and my impression has been this is a wont fix

>>"Won't be fixed for 2.0.1" is not the same as WONTFIX.  Even if it
were certain that this wouldn't be fixed for 2.0.1, resolving as
WONTFIX would be the wrong course of action.

I have prompted about this issue a few times and have either had
silence, a lecture about free software or "please go away" comments
(see Additional Comments From Dave Camp 2002-07-16 08:49 ------- above)

>>This is the only bug related to this issue that I happen to be CCed
on, please reopen any other bugs you have closed.

I dont close bugs that are not mine!

I feel this is a very important issue as regards usability (I know not
every ones interpretation is the same) and the only progress I have
seen since 2.0 has been to remove any trace of menu editing
functionality with no comments on 73770,73773 or this bug - also the
situation with properties see #85622

As I have said before
http://www.redtux.demon.co.uk/docs/gnome_menu_edit_doc.20_6.html

Menu editing on my system works pretty much perfectly (hacked
gnome-panel-2.0.1)

My major problem is that I did a lot of work in finding and reporting
the problem and since 2.0 the only work apparent has been to remove
any functionality in editing/manipulating menus

Nothing would please me more than to see this issue addressed, but if
it isn't being it is pointless to have an open bug

    
Comment 11 Damon Chaplin 2002-07-19 18:06:00 UTC
Mike: Alex Gravely (alex@ximian.com) is working on this, here at
Ximian, and I am helping out a little. It will be sorted out in the
next few weeks.

Our new vfolder code is in the gnome-2-0-vfolder-rewrite branch of
gnome-vfs. If you want to help test that out it would be great.
I think it is still missing a few important features, though, so
maybe wait a bit until it is feature-complete.
Comment 12 mike 2002-07-19 20:15:23 UTC
are there equivalent eel, nautilus and gnome-panel branches
Comment 13 mike 2002-07-20 23:59:03 UTC
Where do I report bugs on the rewrite branch?
I tried it last night and it wiped all my menus - I think it must be
related to change of format of applications.vfoldeer-info - will
investigate further.
Comment 14 mike 2002-07-28 14:34:31 UTC
Comments on vfolder rewrite branch

1. Since I installed - chronic X instability
2. Menu structures really mangled see ht
3. Different keywords seem to be being used and missing categories
such as system
Comment 15 mike 2002-07-28 14:36:16 UTC
sorry - link shouldf be
http://www.redtux.demon.co.uk/docs/screenshots/gnome-vfs-rewrite-menu.png
Comment 16 Dave Camp 2002-07-28 17:13:41 UTC
But does menu editing work? :) 
Comment 17 mike 2002-07-28 23:27:37 UTC
After a fashion - but a lot worse than the former gnome editing

Reasons - impossible for a normal user to change the name of the launcher
Creates entries in .gnome2/vfolders but ignores them

Still not possible to rename a folder
Comment 18 mike 2002-08-01 13:21:10 UTC
Further comments on vfolder-rewrite

Files are being created in ~/vfolders/applications, but are not being
looked up by gnome-vfs so do not appear in menus

Renaming menu categories/folders does not work - after renaming
dissapears from applications:///

Comment 19 mike 2002-08-01 13:23:52 UTC
Further comments on vfolder-rewrite

Files are being created in ~/vfolders/applications, but are not being
looked up by gnome-vfs so do not appear in menus

Renaming menu categories/folders does not work - after renaming
dissapears from applications:///

Also briefly flashes up a no permissions emblkem before dissappearing
Comment 20 mike 2002-08-09 14:34:08 UTC
The preferences-allusers.vfolder-info file includes a merge line for
1.4 control-center capplets which should not really be there - it
makes a mess of the advanced menu
Comment 21 Alex Graveley 2002-08-09 14:37:52 UTC
If anything, it should just exclude those capplets which have gnome2
replacements.  In either case can you create a new bug for this mike?
Comment 22 Luis Villa 2002-08-12 18:10:30 UTC
*** Bug 90456 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 23 Luis Villa 2002-08-20 03:06:22 UTC
*** Bug 91114 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 24 Alex Graveley 2002-12-13 18:56:59 UTC
Closing since all its dependencies are closed.  I guess you should use
individual bugs from now on, or add them as dependencies here and reopen.