GNOME Bugzilla – Bug 352980
Delete button in the toolbar should become inactive on deleted messages
Last modified: 2013-09-13 00:50:27 UTC
If not using the "Hide deleted messages" option, the Delete button in the toolbar should become inactive and the Delete menu entry should not be shown in the context menu. Currently both do. I really don't understand why one may need deleting a message multiple times. I also suggest providing an Undelete button in the toolbar when on deleted messages, quite like there it is in the context menu, but YMMV.
confirming.
fixed.
for tracking: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/evolution/mail/em-folder-view.c?r1=1.157&r2=1.158
And what about bug #301388? That bug is still open, but if this bug is already marked as fixed I understand that you do not wish to solve that bug? Before I started using Evolution I had been using Outlook Express and Mozilla Thunderbird for e-mail. In both these e-mail clients, a deleted message goes to the trash. If a deleted message in the trash is deleted again, it's deleted permanently. When I started using Evolution I tried deleting messages in the trash in the understanding that if I would delete them a second time they would be deleted permanently. I was surprised to see that deleting them did not work, the confusion was complete for me. I was told I had to use "Expunge". I think this is a very bad design flaw in Evolution for the following reasons: 1. As I said, in popular e-mail clients like Outlook (Express) and Thunderbird it is possible to delete a message (in the trash) a second time so that they will be deleted permanently. I do not see a reason why Evolution would not want to conform to this common procedure for deletion of messages in e-mail clients? Users who switch from those e-mail clients to Evolution will be confused. 2. "Expunge" is not easily discoverable, it does not have a button on the toolbar like "Delete". 3. "Expunge" is not an easy to understand term for those who do not speak English as their native language (I'm Dutch, but I like English more than Dutch). "Delete" is more easily understandable. 4. "Expunge" and "Delete" are essentially two names for the same functionality. Two functions are confusing, one is enough. As suggested in bug #301388, please ditch the entire "Expunge" function, keep "Delete", and when "Delete" is used on messages in the trash that should "Expunge"/permanently delete them.
Sander, As I read the camel code, message level Expunge doesnt seem to be there and it has to be implemented for camel/all backends. It should be a enh to CAMEL IMO. Till the support for that is availabe, it doesnt sound good to have delete enable. Also, when we do it, it has to be done in just Trash folder view, and it should be independent of this fix IMO. At any cause, you shouldnt have DELETE enabled for deleted message in normal folder view. I really second behdad on that point. I would second to have Folder->Expunge in the r-click menu of the folder, to get some more visibility. Default in Toolbar, is something that should be availabe by custom toolbar support in 2.10 (may be). Also renaming Expunge to a better text, could be a possible solution.
I kind of like (and use) the fact that I can hit Ctrl-D to delete an already-deleted message. Use case: I often jump around in my message-list, hitting Ctrl-D on spam which jumps me to the next message. sometimes I get trigger happy and delete too many and notice out of the corner of my eye a message I marked as deleted which I later decide might not be spam afterall, so I click on it. Oops, nope, it *was* spam afterall... I then hold Ctrl-D to quickly scroll thru the mass of messages I marked as deleted a few seconds ago (since my fingers were already in the comfy Ctrl-D configuration anyway, it's easier to just do that then to now be forced to use arrow keys or something). I've kinda gotten to the point where I depend on this working (for a short time around 2.0 it stopped working and frustrated the hell out of me).
Good point.
Fejj, are you saying that, we should have the C+D on a deleted messsage moving to a next message?, If so, enabling the toolbutton shouldnt be the solution. May be some bonobo accel items should be used to achieve that.
sure, as long as it still works when I hit Ctrl-D, I'm happy :)
Fejj, Ill note this down for next dot release. May be you can reopen the old bug and CC me :)
*** Bug 330353 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Please see bug 531836.