GNOME Bugzilla – Bug 423466
The i18n page is outdated
Last modified: 2009-07-14 00:18:08 UTC
We should update the i18n page: http://www.gnome.org/i18n Here's the changes I detected. I only considered languages with at least one string translated in GNOME 2.18. 1. New supported languages in GNOME Macedonian (was partially supported) Arabic (was partially supported) Vietnamese (was partially supported) Dzongkha (was not even mentionned !) Chinese (Hong-Kong) (was not even mentionned !) Slovenian (was not even mentionned !) Latvian (was not supported) Thai (was partially supported) Tamil (was partially supported) Bengali (India) (was not even mentionned !) 2. New partially supported Nepali (was supported) Malayalam (was not supported) Persian (was supported) Oriya (was not supported) Georgian (was not supported) Marathi (was not supported) Malagasy (was not mentionned) 3. New not supported Xhosa (was partially supported) Mongolian (was partially supported) Malay (was partially supported) Bosnian (was partially supported) Kurdish (was not mentionned) Kirghiz (was not mentionned) Northern Soto (was not mentionned) Armenian (was not mentionned) Belarusian Latin (was not mentionned) Zulu (was not mentionned) Kinyarwanda (was not mentionned) Uighur (was not mentionned) Assamese (was not mentionned) Tatar (was not mentionned) Tagalog (was not mentionned) Sinhala (was not mentionned) Khmer (was not mentionned) Guarani (was not mentionned) Iranian Azerbaijani (was not mentionned) 4. Removed from old list Cornish Manx Gaelic Scots Gaelic I also suggest to link each language to the corresponding page on http://l10n.gnome.org/languages
Created attachment 85474 [details] [review] patch. sounds good to me, so i made a patch. i dropped the last 5 "not supported" languages as they have some strings translated, but it's less than 200 strings and imho not worth to mention. did not yet link to the corresponding project pages on l10n.gnome.org, would be a second step.
Hi, thanks for pointing this. Since we are revamping wgo it would be good to see the plan for the new site. The basic information about i18n will go to http://gnome.jardigrec.eu/en/take-the-tour/multilingual-international (draft URL and text to be totally changed). This page won't get into details since the whole wgo is about pages with generic introductory texts pointing to somewhere else in the GNOME subsites. This page should link to the relevant pages at http://l10n.gnome.org/ , where all the details are provided and updated (in real time?) Suggestions are welcome.
exactly that's exactly what i also thought - let's get rid of updating and copying stuff manually when we have the wgo revamp (i hope for 2.18.x), let's just point to the original place at l10n.gnome.org. quim, can i commit the patch?
Be my guest. I'll keep the bug open and assigned to me until it is solved in the new site.
committed: http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/trunk/www.gnome.org/i18n/index.wml?r1=4217&r2=5200
I see your point with the difficulty to manually synchronize the languages list. But I fear that l10n.gnome.org is not enough user-friendly and mainly aimed to translators. IMHO, the supported languages list is a very important marketing info for GNOME and is worth to be highlighted on wgo.
It's not only about synchronizing, it's also about localizing. ;) All the supported languages will translate wgo, this is why we are focusing on saving words and changes. We can (and we must) put all the marketing in the wgo page. Picking from the list of >95% covered languages those most spoken + some rarities making sure that several writings are covered you can get the wow effect. We can also submit feature requests to improve l10n.g.o. A direct link from wgo to http://l10n.gnome.org/releases/gnome-2-18 wouldn't be bad to start with, though. Let me see if I can write a satisfactory draft this week. I'll keep you posted.
See draft at http://gnome.jardigrec.eu/en/take-the-tour/multilingual-international Feedback welcome.
hmm... i'd prefer a classic table, and also (additionally) the english names of the languages, because then i can a) understand the names, and b) be curious, or tell for myself whether these are really important languages... ;-)
For once I disagree with you ;) The idea we want to transmit is diversity, and we want to show a sample of it. A table would provide a feeling of a more consolidated listing, people might argue then why their language is nothere, etc. I hope designers come up with a nice cloud i.e. based of population speaking each language. If we show everything in English we lose diversity as well: all scripts in the page are going to be plain ascii and readers will need to keep the english-centered mindset. What is the problem allowing Andre reading "Deutsch" instead of "German"?
In the new wgo, is there still a link somewhere to /i18n, or only to developer.gnome.org/project/gtp ?
(In reply to comment #10) ... > If we show everything in English we lose diversity as well: all scripts in the > page are going to be plain ascii and readers will need to keep the > english-centered mindset. What is the problem allowing Andre reading "Deutsch" > instead of "German"? One consequence of using native language names, is that it can be confusing if people don't have a font for the script that the language is written in (quite common still on Windows XP systems and many Linux systems with language-based font installation). Since this is aimed at end-users, we might want to cater for this, and list the native name, along with the name in the language of the rest of the page. Perhaps something like this: http://mozilla.com/firefox/all.html
Doing a google search for GNOME i18n gives this result: http://www.google.com/search?q=GNOME+i18n The first link from the search result points to http://www.gnome.org/i18n/ which has http://l10n.gnome.org/releases/gnome-2-18 as the page for "current support for your language". Will these old pages be removed/updated so that it would help to avoid confusions for users and contributors regarding the status and information about their languages? Thanks Ani Peter Coordinator-GNOME Malayalam
Created attachment 138333 [details] [review] Patch Nowadays I prefer to have this page more generic and link to the current statistics instead of updating this every six months manually. Can somebody review this and comment, please?
Created attachment 138334 [details] Full file The full file (and not the patch only)
Thanks André!
Thanks. Committed: 5cdf7d43dc6c278cc4d74689a68ef878123ecab3