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Bug 387546 - Better status icons
Better status icons
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Product: gossip
Classification: Deprecated
Component: General
unspecified
Other Linux
: Normal enhancement
: ---
Assigned To: Gossip Maintainers
Gossip Maintainers
gnome[unmaintained]
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2006-12-19 15:56 UTC by Lucas Rocha
Modified: 2011-01-31 12:00 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: ---


Attachments
tangofied status icons (6.29 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-05 14:39 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
Details
second try (6.11 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-05 16:22 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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same as second try but no X (5.89 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-05 16:24 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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Presence icons from a Nokia mobile phone (1.15 KB, image/png)
2007-01-05 19:10 UTC, Luca Ferretti
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Another approach to status icons (9.02 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-07 12:20 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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Tangoified protocol icons (107.51 KB, application/x-bzip)
2007-01-11 09:24 UTC, Josef Vybíral
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New Extended Away Images (2.58 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-11 10:41 UTC, Martyn Russell
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message-new in 22x22 (3.42 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-11 14:49 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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message-new in 22x22 and 16x16 as well (5.19 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-11 16:38 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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message-new in 22x22 and 16x16 as well (5.19 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-11 16:39 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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process-typing animation in 22x22 (7.25 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-16 13:25 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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preview of process-typing (2.88 KB, image/gif)
2007-01-16 13:26 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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group-chat in 22x22 (3.99 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-16 13:26 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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group-chat (3.77 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-19 15:54 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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lighter version (4.11 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-19 17:30 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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in 16x16 and 22x22 (5.66 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-19 18:29 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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status-pending in 22x22 (3.33 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-01-22 08:56 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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process-typing in 16x16 (2.87 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-02-03 14:10 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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message in 16x16 and 22x22 (3.48 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-02-08 10:41 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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tango application icon (11.21 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-02-08 20:22 UTC, Björn Martensen
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tango application icon (16.18 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-02-08 22:39 UTC, Björn Martensen
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app icon again... minor fixes (15.77 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-02-09 00:03 UTC, Björn Martensen
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process-typing (with hand) (2.04 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-02-10 13:38 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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lighter group-chat icon (1.23 KB, image/png)
2007-02-23 10:37 UTC, Andreas Nilsson
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summary of what we have (17.62 KB, application/x-gzip)
2007-05-03 16:36 UTC, Xavier Claessens
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Description Lucas Rocha 2006-12-19 15:56:03 UTC
The current status icons (online, offline and away) are "efficient" (clear visual meaning) but seem old fashioned. What about getting new Tangofied icons?
Comment 1 Mikael Hallendal 2006-12-19 16:02:27 UTC
Yes please, that would be very nice. If you (or anyone else) want to help out poking the Tango designers it would help speed up the process.
Comment 2 Diego Escalante Urrelo (not reading bugmail) 2006-12-25 09:09:37 UTC
CC'ing Luca Ferretti who has been helping us a lot in Epiphany.
:)

Comment 3 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-05 14:39:46 UTC
Created attachment 79443 [details]
tangofied status icons

Just changed the palette and stuff like that and made them slightly bigger. Are you happy with only 16x16 or should I create some 22x22 as well?
Comment 4 Martyn Russell 2007-01-05 15:22:27 UTC
Very nice.

I have some comments:

- The green circle is really nice and cheerful
- The red triangle is nice, perhaps it could be slightly lighter?
- The clock on the red triangle would be better if it wasn't white, maybe cream or grey, or is this just me? Better yet, we don't use the colour blue for anything, so what do people think about changing the Extended Away icon to a blue clock or something?
- The 'x' inside the offline icon should really be black or a dark grey IMO because it is hard to see what is in the middle of the square when it is smaller.
- I am not sure about them being bigger yet, I need to use them some more to decide really. I don't think I like them bigger, they look ok in the roster, but in the chat windows, they look like they are the wrong size.

I think we should stick to the same size icons that we already have (I can't remember if that is 16² or 22²).

Also, do these colours that are used comply with the GNOME HIG palette recommendations?
Comment 5 Richard Hult 2007-01-05 15:51:52 UTC
Martyn, the colors are tangoified, which is what all icons are moved to in gnome.

I think the triangle looks better bigger but the green blob is a bit too big.

Regarding the 'x' in the offline icon, I don't agree that it should be darker since that would make it look like a close button imo.
Comment 6 Martyn Russell 2007-01-05 16:18:31 UTC
Richard, I was just making sure this won't be a problem for colour blind users :) and that it is consistent with other Tango colours.

About the 'x', why have it at all then? If I am honest it irritates be having to look closely at what is in the square without it being immediately obvious. But I am nit picking now :) (and I agree about your comment that it might look like the 'close' button).

Andreas, any chance you could do the gnome-pending.png too? It is there for contacts which you are waiting for subscription from.
Comment 7 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-05 16:22:12 UTC
Created attachment 79457 [details]
second try

Martyn: Hope you like these better!
Yes, these comply with the tango style guidelines that we use for gnome-icon-theme and everywhere else in GNOME.
Comment 8 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-05 16:24:49 UTC
Created attachment 79458 [details]
same as second try but no X
Comment 9 Richard Hult 2007-01-05 16:59:45 UTC
Extended away means "more away than away" :) After 5 minutes, you go away, then after 30 minutes you go extended away. So the extended away icon should look like the away one but some small difference, not it looks like the available one instead.
Comment 10 Luca Ferretti 2007-01-05 19:03:47 UTC
Honestly I've a doubt about this implementation, while I think it's not so bad. Let's me explain.

The status icon is always visible in notification area, showing, of course the current status of your connection (available, busy, away, offline). To simply recognize the current status we can use different colors (green, yellow, red, gray)

But Gossip is currently also using different shapes (dot, triangle, square): is this good or bad? When the status changes, the icon changes both color and shape: some users could think that this is a new icon from a different application.

IMHO we need a "basic" shape (while I don't have any good idea for it) to identify the application and colors to identify current status.
Comment 11 Martyn Russell 2007-01-05 19:10:38 UTC
Andreas, I like the new blue clock and the new offline icon, very nice. We just need to resolve the away/extended away issue here:

Richard, I tend to agree, but does it really matter if they are so different? 

Luca, there is a good reason for having different shapes, it means if you are colour blind you are not completely helpless to understand the states. That is the reason for it IIRC.
Comment 12 Luca Ferretti 2007-01-05 19:10:50 UTC
Created attachment 79475 [details]
Presence icons from a Nokia mobile phone

Backing up stuff in my sister's Nokia mobile, I found those icons. I don't know where are used, but are named Presence-NUM.gif

Here is a basic shape (the door) and color variation to identify current status (from top to left, IMHO, available, busy, away, offline).

Of course the door metaphor could be not so good: we are yet using it as for exit and logout in GNOME, but the idea could be good.
Comment 13 Richard Hult 2007-01-05 20:23:00 UTC
(In reply to comment #11)
> Richard, I tend to agree, but does it really matter if they are so different? 

There is just no logic at all in having the two away states look that much different, and even worse have one of them look like the available state. 
Comment 14 Martyn Russell 2007-01-06 01:02:33 UTC
> There is just no logic at all in having the two away states look that much
> different, and even worse have one of them look like the available state. 

You are right as always :)

> Of course the door metaphor could be not so good: we are yet using it as for
> exit and logout in GNOME, but the idea could be good.

Sorry Luca, I don't think the door idea will work :/

> same as second try but no X

Thanks Andreas, they look quite good now. For extended away, I did play tonight by having a blue triangle with a clock in the middle, it looks OK but I think the clock over the triangle you originally had works better. I played with that too. The clock needs to be a tad smaller (½ a pixel or so), the white center should really be a yellow or light cream colour, that looks nicer IMO, and the clock arms should be darker + be round edged. - I can send you the version I created if you want.

While we are here, can we take a quick look at some of the others?

- gossip-typing.png
- gossip-pending.png
- gossip-group-message.png
- gossip-message.png

Especially the message icons, we use those all the time :)
Comment 15 Xavier Claessens 2007-01-06 08:11:44 UTC
And as an extra would be great to have protocols icons (msn,jabber,irc,...) for the TELEPATHY branch
Comment 16 Mikael Hallendal 2007-01-07 11:46:48 UTC
Xavier, do you mean for dialogs (add contact, add account etc)? Or for the roster?
Comment 17 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-07 12:20:35 UTC
Created attachment 79617 [details]
Another approach to status icons

These are the ones we use in Landell (http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Landell). Heavily inspirated by google talk.
Looks like this in that UI: http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/wiki/images/d/d2/Landell-presence.png
Comment 18 Martyn Russell 2007-01-07 15:29:25 UTC
Andreas, I personally don't like those icons that much.

Micke, I assume just protocol icons, I don't think we will be using separate icons for different protocols will we?
Comment 19 Xavier Claessens 2007-01-07 15:35:46 UTC
At least protocol icons, but would be great to have a nice way to tell the user from which protocol a contact comes from. Something like gaim: compose the status icon in the lower right of a protocol icon in the roster... It's just an idea that should be discussed, I think.
Comment 20 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-07 16:16:24 UTC
Martyn: All right, just giving you more stuff to choose from. :)

Xavier: Having that info in the rooster does mean a more noisy interface, and I'm not really sure what the user would do with that information.
Comment 21 Mikael Hallendal 2007-01-07 20:08:44 UTC
I think it makes sense to use protocol icons in dialogs (add contact, add account etc) and also if we add "virtual contacts" and have a way to show which of a real persons acccounts are connected so you can choose which protocol to use.
Comment 22 Richard Hult 2007-01-08 14:23:29 UTC
I've been running for a while now with the version in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=79458 and I like the colors, they look fresh and "tango-y".

I don't think the extended away icons works though, for the reasons I listed above, and also because it looks a lot like the current "pending contact" icon we are (ab)using (maybe we need to change that one too).

How about still overlaying a clock on top of the normal away icone, but making the clock a bit larger? That could make it easier to make it clear and look good, while maintaining the basic shape that we use for away.

I wonder if we should use the blue one but with a question mark or something like that for pending/unknown/whatever contacts...
Comment 23 Josef Vybíral 2007-01-11 09:24:41 UTC
Created attachment 80014 [details]
Tangoified protocol icons

Andreas mentioned on the Tango-artists list that some IM protocols' icons are needed here. As we(Vinicius Depizzol and I) created these icons for Landel and Gajim applications, and as they are GPL, I am attaching a package with them. The package includes sizes of 16x16, 22x22, 32x32 and 48x48 for: aim, ekiga, gadu-gadu, gizmo, google-talk, icq, irc, jabber, msn, tlen and yahoo.

Changes are possible when required.
Comment 24 Martyn Russell 2007-01-11 09:57:12 UTC
Josef, thanks they look great.

All we need now is tango icons for:

- gossip-typing.png
- gossip-pending.png
- gossip-group-message.png
- gossip-message.png

Anyone up for it?
Comment 25 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-11 10:02:31 UTC
Martyn: Grabbing these
Comment 26 Martyn Russell 2007-01-11 10:04:26 UTC
Andreas, forgive me, but what does that mean :) you are doing them?
Comment 27 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-11 10:06:07 UTC
Uh, yes :)
Comment 28 Martyn Russell 2007-01-11 10:41:11 UTC
Created attachment 80018 [details]
New Extended Away Images

This is my version of the extended away PNG and SVG. It simply moves the clock more centrally and makes the clock background yellow so it is less stark to look at.
Comment 29 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-11 14:49:22 UTC
Created attachment 80028 [details]
message-new in 22x22

If you're happy with this I'll go along and create the other sizes as well.
Comment 30 Richard Hult 2007-01-11 16:01:42 UTC
It looks very nice imo. I wonder how it will work at 16x16?
Comment 31 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-11 16:38:34 UTC
Created attachment 80034 [details]
message-new in 22x22 and 16x16 as well

Richard: Something along the lines of this.
Comment 32 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-11 16:39:31 UTC
Created attachment 80035 [details]
message-new in 22x22 and 16x16 as well

Richard: Something along the lines of this.
Comment 33 Martyn Russell 2007-01-11 17:04:58 UTC
Nice work Andreas, I have tried this, and it isn't obvious what the star is without looking, perhaps it would look better with just some "..." inside the bubble, what do you think?
Comment 34 Richard Hult 2007-01-11 17:14:57 UTC
It looks good to me, and the star idiom is pretty common afaik for all of gnome.
Comment 35 Martyn Russell 2007-01-11 17:22:12 UTC
Yea, ignore me, I have changed my mind :)
Comment 36 Mikael Hallendal 2007-01-11 17:54:52 UTC
Ah, beautiful Andreas!
Comment 37 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-16 13:25:39 UTC
Created attachment 80389 [details]
process-typing animation in 22x22

Using a frame-type animation like nautilus.
Comment 38 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-16 13:26:19 UTC
Created attachment 80390 [details]
preview of process-typing

in 300 m/s
Comment 39 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-16 13:26:56 UTC
Created attachment 80392 [details]
group-chat in 22x22
Comment 40 Martyn Russell 2007-01-16 14:25:30 UTC
Andreas, hi, very nice work. I especially like the group chat image. I am not sure about the typing image yet - do we need some sort of hand in the image to make it more obvious?

What do others think?
Comment 41 Richard Hult 2007-01-16 14:49:26 UTC
The group chat icon is nice, but a bit visually equal to the "new message" one, so it kind of looks like you have new messages in the group chats all the time. Maybe there is a way to make it look a bit more different (the icons used for normal (non-group) chats are the status icons so it might make sense to try and make it look a bit more like those).

It's pretty cool with an animated icon for the typing one :) Since we have a tooltip explaining that the user is typing, I think it's fine (plus displaying body parts should be avoided in icons iirc (offensive in some parts of the world).
Comment 42 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-19 15:54:59 UTC
Created attachment 80704 [details]
group-chat

Agree about the bubbles, here is another approach.
Comment 43 Martyn Russell 2007-01-19 16:50:40 UTC
Nice, they are a little too dark IMO, any chance they could be a little lighter?
Comment 44 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-19 17:30:55 UTC
Created attachment 80715 [details]
lighter version

a little bit lighter, and the contrast between the dudes are a litte bit bigger.
Comment 45 Richard Hult 2007-01-19 17:55:44 UTC
Nice, how does it look in 16x16? Could get a little unclear, I guess.
Comment 46 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-19 18:29:34 UTC
Created attachment 80721 [details]
in 16x16 and 22x22

16x16 is quite big ;)
Comment 47 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-22 08:56:07 UTC
Created attachment 80866 [details]
status-pending in 22x22
Comment 48 Richard Hult 2007-01-22 09:00:38 UTC
Cool, we could use this for real unknown contacts and maybe use the old (or a new) version of pending for pending contacts (those who have requested to be on the list but aren't yet).
Comment 49 Andreas Nilsson 2007-01-22 09:09:22 UTC
so status-pending and status-unknown then?
Comment 50 Richard Hult 2007-01-22 09:49:53 UTC
I think that might work well, yes.
Comment 51 Andreas Nilsson 2007-02-03 14:10:49 UTC
Created attachment 81816 [details]
process-typing in 16x16

No animation yet I'm afraid, but Richard asked me to get at least a still image done before the release.
Comment 52 Richard Hult 2007-02-03 14:13:42 UTC
Thanks! 
Comment 53 Mikael Hallendal 2007-02-03 19:14:48 UTC
The new process-typing icon is a bit unclear, looks more like building blocks than keys in a keyboard to me.

Further more it's very discrete and almost unnoticeable next to the other icons. In my opinion the typing icon and the new message should be easier to spot when just looking over the roster.

With the old icons they were and also it was more obvious that there was a "white" row since the other icons were darker as well. Now all the icons are bright and it's harder to spot the white icons.

We should also add support for "icon themes" as I for one prefer the old icons to the new ones.
Comment 54 Richard Hult 2007-02-03 19:43:42 UTC
I agree that the typing one is too subtle, especially in the contact list. To summarize the comments from above, and adding my own comments after using those for a bit now:

* "typing" is a bit subtle, the whole point of it is to get the attention of the user so it needs to be more clear from the background and the other icons

* "extended away", the clock looks a bit too bright, I agree with Martyn on that.

* "group chat", it's a bit dark, especially compared to the other ones. Maybe having a different (or more different if that's already the case) shade on the the guys could help as well?


Committing the icons at least got some more comments and testing, that's good. The question now is, should we perhaps revert to the old ones and add the new ones as a Tango theme when we have theme support (and tweaked them some more)? That might be the best way I guess.
Comment 55 Richard Hult 2007-02-03 20:33:32 UTC
One more comment after comparing with the old ones, the available icon really is a very bright green shade, almost to the point where it is distracting. This is a lot more clear when using the icons in gossip compared to just looking at them in an image viewer.
Comment 56 Martyn Russell 2007-02-03 20:41:08 UTC
I have updated the extended-away icon to a crappy version I did - actually, I
think I have a better version somewhere but anyway, it is not as bright which
is good for me.

My comments though are:

* "typing" is weird, it is not obvious enough IMO. Either we need some letters
on those keys OR we need a hand of illustrating typing.

* "extended away" is really difficult because we have 2 things in there, the
other state (the triangle) and a clock and there are only so many pixels :)
After speaking to Richard, perhaps we need a light grey colour here for the
clock face, like the offline grey? 

* "group chat" is quite nice when I see it in the notebook with all my other
chats, but I agree it is a little too dark. Richard and I spoke further on this
and think that perhaps a lighter grey and ANOTHER shade of grey for the other
contact behind might work better.

* "pending" needs finishing. Didn't we have a question mark for this? Is there
some reason why we didn't commit this Richard? I don't think we need a
different icon for people we have added but who haven't accepted AND people
that have requested to be added that WE haven't accepted - they should both
have a "?" That reminds me - we need to change the way Gossip handles pending
contacts, I think they should always be shown and exempt of the offline rules
in the roster since it is easy to loose them. There is a bug about this
somewhere. 
Comment 57 Richard Hult 2007-02-03 20:58:13 UTC
(In reply to comment #56)

> * "pending" needs finishing. Didn't we have a question mark for this? Is there
> some reason why we didn't commit this Richard? I don't think we need a
> different icon for people we have added but who haven't accepted AND people
> that have requested to be added that WE haven't accepted - they should both
> have a "?" That reminds me - we need to change the way Gossip handles pending
> contacts, I think they should always be shown and exempt of the offline rules
> in the roster since it is easy to loose them. There is a bug about this
> somewhere. 

The reason is that it's only available in 22x22 so far.


Comment 58 Andreas Nilsson 2007-02-04 12:24:58 UTC
Mikael: with http://live.gnome.org/ThemableAppIcons, all you would need to do is to create a icon-theme, name it Mikaels-icons, have it inherit gnome-icon-theme and put it in ./icons, so I would strongly advice putting any kind of theming functionality as a preference in Gossip itself as I must say it's rather horrible to have to set something up 20 times in different apps on a fresh install (grrr...I dare you, Firefox and Thunderbird!) ;)

I found the animation helped a lot in process-typing, and I'm sorry that I don't have any time animating the 16x16 version before the release. A problem with using hands in the icons is that the old hand looked like it gave me the finger and hands/gestures in interfaces are a big no-no with regards to 110n. I could give it a shot though, but it would have to wait to next week I'm afraid.

Regarding the other icons, I agree with your points and I'll get my hands dirty with them sometime early next week.
Comment 59 Martyn Russell 2007-02-04 13:07:30 UTC
Andreas, I will not release until we are happy with the icons :) So I doubt it will be this weekend. Also, could you resize the pending icon to be the same size as the others and then we can commit that?
Comment 60 Andreas Nilsson 2007-02-04 15:04:26 UTC
Oh, ok.
In that case, give me a couple of days and I'll fix them up.
Comment 61 Björn Martensen 2007-02-06 00:04:11 UTC
i hope i don't piss anyone off by asking this, but is there a tango style application icon for gossip aswell?
Comment 62 Martyn Russell 2007-02-08 08:40:43 UTC
Björn, no of course not :)

Andreas, is there any chance we could have a message icon and a new message icon - the reason for this is that the chat window would look nice if we have a regular icon for normal messages when none are waiting to read and another when we have one or more messages waiting to read.
Comment 63 Mikael Hallendal 2007-02-08 09:25:48 UTC
Björn, I don't think there is a new application icon in the working but I would welcome an update to that as well.
Comment 64 Andreas Nilsson 2007-02-08 10:28:49 UTC
Björn: in time. :)
Comment 65 Andreas Nilsson 2007-02-08 10:41:01 UTC
Created attachment 82137 [details]
message in 16x16 and 22x22

Martyn: not sure what you mean exactly, but here they are.
(Hope the interface just don't get too noisy now.)
Comment 66 Martyn Russell 2007-02-08 12:47:35 UTC
Andreas, no that looks perfect ;) thank you.
Comment 67 Björn Martensen 2007-02-08 20:22:26 UTC
Created attachment 82179 [details]
tango application icon
Comment 68 Andreas Nilsson 2007-02-08 22:31:20 UTC
björn: no sources (xcf/svg) for the small sizes?
Comment 69 Björn Martensen 2007-02-08 22:39:51 UTC
Created attachment 82189 [details]
tango application icon

sorry. here's the full set including all svg files.
Comment 70 Björn Martensen 2007-02-09 00:03:52 UTC
Created attachment 82197 [details]
app icon again... minor fixes

sorry for the noise :/
won't happen again.
Comment 71 Björn Martensen 2007-02-09 00:05:28 UTC
Comment on attachment 82197 [details]
app icon again... minor fixes

sorry, i forgot to obsolete the previous 2 :(
Comment 72 Alexander “weej” Jones 2007-02-09 22:14:16 UTC
These icons seem great, and I caught them in SVN for a few days but now they've disappeared back to the old ones again... what happened? :E
Comment 73 Richard Hult 2007-02-09 22:16:23 UTC
I reverted it because there are still issues, as you can see from the comments above.
Comment 74 Richard Hult 2007-02-09 22:20:01 UTC
(In reply to comment #58)
> Mikael: with http://live.gnome.org/ThemableAppIcons, all you would need to do
> is to create a icon-theme, name it Mikaels-icons, have it inherit
> gnome-icon-theme and put it in ./icons, so I would strongly advice putting any
> kind of theming functionality as a preference in Gossip itself as I must say
> it's rather horrible to have to set something up 20 times in different apps on
> a fresh install (grrr...I dare you, Firefox and Thunderbird!) ;)

Unfortunately it's not as easy as that. It can be done once we depend on a newer GNOME (i.e. a newer icon-theme spec). The current one would have to lump all icons together in one directory, basically, at least from what I can see (if we are not to put a lot of symlinks in there to support both versions).

> I found the animation helped a lot in process-typing, and I'm sorry that I
> don't have any time animating the 16x16 version before the release. A problem
> with using hands in the icons is that the old hand looked like it gave me the
> finger and hands/gestures in interfaces are a big no-no with regards to 110n. I
> could give it a shot though, but it would have to wait to next week I'm afraid.

While the animation was pretty nifty, it's far from "plug and play" to put an animation in there, especially in the treeview and window titlebar icon. So I don't think that is an option after all.

It feels like all I do is nag about your nice icons, sorry about that. But the old ones were pretty well thought out and has worked nicely so I don't want to have something that works less good just for an updated look...
Comment 75 Andreas Nilsson 2007-02-10 13:38:32 UTC
Created attachment 82276 [details]
process-typing (with hand)

How do you feel about this?
Comment 76 Mikael Hallendal 2007-02-11 11:21:07 UTC
To use a swedish expression: "Pekfingersvalsen" :)

Somewhat more series it somewhat looks like someone pointing at a keyboard rather than typing. True enough that many people look like that when typing but I wouldn't use it as the correct way of typing.

How about we look at some icon including "..." or similar rather than a keyboard?
Comment 77 Andreas Nilsson 2007-02-11 11:31:40 UTC
"Pekfingertangon" rather ;)
Comment 78 Mikael Hallendal 2007-02-11 11:35:07 UTC
Haha!
Comment 79 Martyn Russell 2007-02-11 12:42:04 UTC
Why not just have a "pekfinger" :) with no keyboard? I think having a keyboard which is quite a detailed piece of kit in such a small icon might be difficult to make it look good - an index finger on it's own really is quite obvious isn't it? 
Comment 80 Mikael Hallendal 2007-02-11 13:21:39 UTC
Hmm, I think that would be a lot less describing than just having the keyboard. There is nothing really typing-specific about an index finger and looks more like someone is pointing than typing.

I was thinking more along the lines of talking analogy rather than typing. Ie. the person is in the process of communicating with you.
Comment 81 Alexander “weej” Jones 2007-02-18 17:31:08 UTC
How about a speech bubble with a "..." in?
Comment 82 Andreas Nilsson 2007-02-23 10:37:00 UTC
Created attachment 83162 [details]
lighter group-chat icon

How about this lighter version of the group chat icon?
Comment 83 Xavier Claessens 2007-05-03 16:36:30 UTC
Created attachment 87464 [details]
summary of what we have

Ok so here is a summary of what we have so far, I hope I didn't forget something. Is it possible to have all those icons in 16x16 and 22x22 and scallable? I guess the svg is the same for all png sizes so it's just a matter of rendering png...

What is still needed ?

Btw, why does gossip uses stock icons for status,etc? Why not using named icons?
Comment 84 Richard Hult 2007-05-03 17:45:20 UTC
Note that there are still unresolved issues from above with several of the icons. It might be better to try and fix those first.

> Btw, why does gossip uses stock icons for status,etc? Why not using named
> icons?

Because the icon theme API didn't exist back when gossip was started and there hasn't been much of a reason to change that code.
Comment 85 Mikael Hallendal 2007-05-31 01:02:14 UTC
Hm, I went ahead and commited icons for:

available
away
busy
extended-away
group-message
message
offline
typing

We need to go through this bug and sort out what bits are still unresolved and preferably create new bugs for those (one per icon).
Comment 86 Akhil Laddha 2011-01-31 12:00:05 UTC
Gossip development has been stalled and it has been unmaintained for a few years now. You may use 'empathy' for similar functionality.

Maintainers don't have future development plan so i am closing bugs as WONTFIX. Please feel free to reopen the bugs in future if anyone takes the responsibility for active development.