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Bug 361737 - [blocked] It is not possible to navigate to form controls using the keyboard in OOo Writer
[blocked] It is not possible to navigate to form controls using the keyboard ...
Status: RESOLVED NOTGNOME
Product: orca
Classification: Applications
Component: general
unspecified
Other All
: High major
: ---
Assigned To: Orca Maintainers
Orca Maintainers
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show...
Depends on:
Blocks: 404411
 
 
Reported: 2006-10-12 16:24 UTC by Mike Pedersen
Modified: 2013-01-09 22:32 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: 2.17/2.18


Attachments
Sample document highlighting the previously described problem (14.50 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2006-10-12 16:25 UTC, Mike Pedersen
Details

Description Mike Pedersen 2006-10-12 16:24:36 UTC
When opening a form document in Writer, it is only possible to interact with form controls using flat review.  Attempting to tab and/or arrow to form controls in a document simply causes the form elements to be skipped. This should be filed as a bug against openoffice as it is blocking any meaningful spec for form handling in documents using Orca.
Comment 1 Mike Pedersen 2006-10-12 16:25:43 UTC
Created attachment 74579 [details]
Sample document highlighting the previously described problem
Comment 2 Rich Burridge 2006-10-12 17:37:53 UTC
I've opened OOo issue #70367
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70367
against this problem. Adjusting the summary of this bug
o reflect that we are currently blocked.
Comment 3 Willie Walker 2006-10-15 00:25:26 UTC
Add accessibility keyword.  Apologies for spam.
Comment 4 Rich Burridge 2006-12-01 17:05:54 UTC
From OOo issue #70367

http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70367

it appears that in OOo 1.1, this used
to by Shift-F5 but has now been changed 
to Shift-F4.

Shame on us for not knowing that! ;-)

Mike, could give it a try please, and see 
if this does what you want?

Thanks.
Comment 5 Mike Pedersen 2006-12-05 18:29:44 UTC
I just tried this and it did not seem like anything was happening.  I was in a form with several fields that needed to be filled out.  When I pressed this key combination I heard nothing and the braille display did not change.  
Comment 6 Rich Burridge 2006-12-08 00:43:09 UTC
I've reopened OOo issue #70367 with the following comment:

"I just tried Shift-F4 as you suggested on the sample document:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=74579&action=view
Firstly there is no indication for a blind person when you need
to hit Shift-F4. Even doing it visually, it doesn't allow me to
navigate the forms. Down arrow just moved the form done. Tab
allows me to jump from one form to another.

Reopening the bug. Please explain how to navigate all the fields
in each form.

Thanks."
Comment 7 Rich Burridge 2006-12-18 16:16:44 UTC
Update from the OOo issue #70367. 

"Jumping to the first control works using Ctrl+F5, after that travelling 
works with Tab
BTW: The referred document has a very strange tab order."

They've closed that bug out again as WORKSFORME. 

I just tried their suggestion. With OOo v2.0.4, swriter goes into
error recovery mode. With OOo v2.1, Ctrl-F5 does appear to do something
but it's weird. The Tab order is definitely zany.

Mike, could you please try this out and comment back? Thanks.
Comment 8 Mike Pedersen 2006-12-18 20:43:15 UTC
truthfully, I can't make much sense out of what this is supposed to be doing.  Some times it seems to move focus and other times not but I haven't yet been able to find a good pattern to describe the behavior.  Perhaps we need to send them a couple documents as well as some orca .keys files to illistrate the problem.  Hopefully who ever is looking at this bug has orca installed.  
Comment 9 Rich Burridge 2006-12-18 21:53:20 UTC
I believe this last comment was the first time that the OOo bug responder
actually tried something (otherwise I don't believe he would initially
have suggested Shift-F4).

I suggest adding a couple of simple sample documents to the OOo issue:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70367
and reopening it. I can continue to be the middle man if you want,
but it's probably best for you to step in at this point as you can 
explain the problem(s) better than I can.
Comment 10 Rich Burridge 2007-01-03 18:37:08 UTC
I've added another comment to:

http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70367

and reopened it. Hopefully we will get a more detailed 
explanation on how to navigate this form now.
Comment 11 Willie Walker 2007-05-25 16:27:22 UTC
Removing target milestone from [blocked] bugs.  We have little control over them, so we're better off letting priority and severity be our guide for poking the related components.
Comment 12 Willie Walker 2007-11-01 16:10:09 UTC
The OOo folks decided to close http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70367 as invalid.  Sigh.  Joanie had a number of thoughts on this particular issue, I think.  Joanie - do you want to write them up here?
Comment 13 Joanmarie Diggs (IRC: joanie) 2008-04-03 04:05:25 UTC
Like the Phoenix rising from the ashes, I present to you all Son of Issue 70367 (aka Issue 87784): http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87784 ;-)

I spent some time this evening learning how to make (what I believe to be) a simpler, cleaner form -- and one that is more accessible than es's "accessible sample."  Hopefully I detailed the problems in such a way that they'll "get it"....
Comment 14 Joanmarie Diggs (IRC: joanie) 2010-03-28 00:20:17 UTC
The blocking bug (http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87784) has been recently marked as fixed. We need to verify the fix which (I believe) will be made available in OOo 3.3.
Comment 15 Joanmarie Diggs (IRC: joanie) 2010-05-22 17:55:12 UTC
It's not integrated in m77. I've asked for an ETA and am reblocking this bug in the meantime.
Comment 16 Joanmarie Diggs (IRC: joanie) 2013-01-09 22:32:44 UTC
Another ancient tracking bug that has proven useless.