GNOME Bugzilla – Bug 781920
Recent Change To Color Picker Gradient
Last modified: 2017-04-28 23:49:57 UTC
Created attachment 350688 [details] Top image is now, bottom image is how it was. I've been advised via the Gimp GUI mailing list to open a bug report. 2 days ago I noticed the gradient on the color picker was flipped and reversed. It used to have black on the bottom - now black is on the left. I use the tool very often when working on themes and color palettes and have for quite some time so the change really stands out to me. To my knowledge the gradient direction has always been the same (since 2004). * Any Platform: I've been speaking with a few other people who have confirmed that theirs changed also - both Linux and Windows platforms. * All Versions: The current stable version changed - yet your help pages show the current version gradient how I remember. People with current version installs note the change. I have a slightly older version 2.8.14 and it's changed. * Throughout Time: If you do a google image search for the tool - all images show black on the left (back through versions and time) - yet most remember it being black on the bottom. * Not An Update: I know my box didn't update. One person says theirs changed yet the box is not connected to the internet. So far as I'm aware, Gimp is not able to do 'pushes'. * Not An Error: No one is reporting any type of errors. * Master Is Correct: The dev version still shows black on bottom. It didn't change, but installed versions did. I'm struggling to create this ticket because there's no discernible way it could have changed for everyone overnight. The only details I have is the change I noted and the research I've done. I realize this ticket is not normal. This issue has a tinge of "spooky action at a distance". I apologize and am hoping you bare with me.. What I'd Like To Know: * Do you folks use a "change control" system? If so, is there a change control for this? * Can anyone there confirm it was black on the bottom (the way your help pages and wiki are) and now their local version changed? I'm including a screenshot of how it looks now, and a shopped version of how many of us remember it 2 days ago. The top image is how it is now on peoples machines, the bottom is how it was. Thank you. ----- Gimp v2.8.14 on Linux, no error is produced.
This was changed quite recently in master, to fix bug 756019, the developers agreed that this was a good thing to change for consistency. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 756019 ***
I read through the parent, and this is not the same (not a child). That ticket has to do with the tool's layout - and is 2 years old. This ticket has to do with the gradient changing inexplicably on installed versions 2 days ago. 1. Are you saying it's always been 'black on left' and it was recently changed to 'black on bottom'? 2. How would it change on installed versions?
It would change not at all on installed versions, let me attach two screenshots...
Created attachment 350691 [details] Dialog in 2.8, and since the beginning of time
Created attachment 350692 [details] Dialog in 2.9, since the changes from bug 756019
I think your mind is playing tricks on you, seeing various screenshots, and maybe using 2.8 and 2.9 versions on different machines. I'm tempted to close as duplicate again or NOTABUG.
Pear > Are you sure it used to be black on bottom? As Mitch says, your mind may just be "playing tricks", especially if a web search shows all screenshots as black on the left (we don't control the whole web… not yet though muhahahah). You also say our help and wiki show a screenshot with black on bottom. I didn't check when you told of the issue in the mailing list, but I just checked now, and I see black on left in the help screenshot. Could you give a link of this official help/wiki pages you are talking about, and which would show otherwise? P.S.: and no, there is absolutely no way for us to change anything in GIMP, obviously. Even less with your example of computers not connected to the internet. We are not called Neo and are not in the Matrix. :P
I'm 100% positive. Link is here: http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Usability_and_Colours Of course now I'm assuming that's for Master? I keep responding and it keeps colliding. Here's what I wrote: ---- Ok. As I understand you.. 1. It's always been "black on left". 2. It was recently changed in Master to "black on bottom" (industry standard). 3. Installed versions would not change. Thank you for the info / screenshot. I understand your position. I didn't want to open this as a bug - but Gimp GUI suggested it as the only path. I had a feeling someone would say it's always been that way -- but it's not just me, it's several people. I hadn't looked at any screenshots prior to noticing the change. I only have one machine, and one version (2.8). May I ask a kind of favor? I'm wondering if you could ask around if anyone else remembers "black on bottom" in their installed versions - I'm assuming you know more users than I do. I understand if you don't want to help. It probably seems trivial and strange to you, but it's very important to me (though to far out to explain why here). If I could change the ticket to a super low priority or 'informational' I would so it doesn't have any heat on it. Please and thank you very much for your help. ----- You're right. This is a type of "glitch in the matrix" issue; as embarrassed as I am to say that (and knowing it will close this ticket). Specifically it's a Mandela Effect, and I'm not the only one Effected on this one. I implore you to ask around about this change, you might be surprised at some of the responses you get. You're welcome to communicate privately with me on my users' email. In another place, Gimp's gradient was correct the first time and always was (black on bottom) - now it's a change your considering in dev to match the industry standard? Beyond strange. If you decide to close it and go no further, I understand and thank you for your kindness.
> Of course now I'm assuming that's for Master? Yes, the GUI wiki is a place to discuss GUI and UX changes. It is discussed using master as a base. > 3. Installed versions would not change. Indeed we have no way to contact installed GIMP. Also we don't do feature changes on stable versions (not in 2.8 at least). Thus since it looks like nothing actually changed, you won't ever see the black-on-bottom in 2.8.x (but you will from 2.10). > I understand your position. I didn't want to open this as a bug - but Gimp GUI suggested it as the only path. I am the one who suggested this since I have no idea how it used to be or not. The GUI mailing list is to discuss GUI/UX changes not bugs. Yet if really we had a change, it could have been a bug (though I did not realize that you meant even without update!). Being in the bugtracker, more developers can actually see. And I was right, since Mitch (who has been in the project for 20 years) is better suited to know how the gradient changed over the years. > I implore you to ask around about this change, you might be surprised at some of the responses you get. I am sorry but this would not be enough, as you prove it. People's minds play tricks. This kind of thing often happen to me too, as well it would to any human, especially with influence (how did you ask the other users who confirmed the "change"? Did you tell them "look, it was at the bottom, before, no?"? => that would be unconscious influence which makes any answer to the question meaningless; you can document yourself on double-blind experiments which are done in social studies). So this is why we can't "ask around", sorry. We can accept hard proof though. If you can install an older GIMP, tell us which version it is and that it has a different color gradient, then this is hard proof. So I will close the bug report as NOTABUG, but you are much welcome to reopen it if you find such a hard proof. :-)