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Bug 76315 - AccessX is a bad name for the menu item
AccessX is a bad name for the menu item
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Product: gnome-control-center
Classification: Core
Component: [obsolete] Keyboard Accessibility
unspecified
Other All
: High normal
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Assigned To: Control-Center Maintainers
Control-Center Maintainers
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2002-03-25 19:26 UTC by Havoc Pennington
Modified: 2004-12-22 21:47 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: ---



Description Havoc Pennington 2002-03-25 19:26:58 UTC
How about "accessibility"? AccessX is apparently some funky CDE thing.
Comment 1 Jody Goldberg 2002-03-27 00:16:11 UTC
This is unlikely to change.  There was an explicit request for this 
name because it is familiar to users from X11R6 and CDE.
Comment 2 Havoc Pennington 2002-03-27 00:30:32 UTC
Calum does this really make any general sense?

The CDE issue is a Sun concern, it is not a concern that applies to the 
overall GNOME project. It should be trivial to patch the .desktop file 
in the Sun distribution. But most Red Hat users for example have
never even seen CDE.

This is the GNOME accessibility capplet as long as it's in the
gnome-control-center module and not the sun-accessibility-capplet
module. We need to make UI decisions accordingly.
Comment 3 Calum Benson 2002-03-27 12:53:10 UTC
AccessX is by no means just a CDE or Sun thing-- it's a standard on
most unix desktops (you can see the groovy SGI version at
ftp://ftp.sgi.com/sgi/desktop/accessx/SGIaccessx.gif, for example),
and a standard AccessX control dialog has been available as part of
X11R6 for a year or so (http://ftp.x.org/pub/R6.6/xc/extras/accessx). 
In that respect I think it's widespread enough to assume that any unix
user who has accessibility needs will know about AccessX.

Even the Windows XP Accessibility control panel has now adopted more
of the AccessX terminology than it used to (StickyKeys, MouseKeys
etc.), although it doesn't go as far as calling it the 'AccessX'
control panel because it has other stuff in there as well that accessx
doesn't cover.

Even if we didn't call it AccessX, what else could we call it?  It's
not 'the' accessbility control panel, because there will eventually be
control panels in the Accessibility section for controlling things
like screenreader and on-screen keyboard config.  Right now you could
just about get away with calling it the 'Keyboard Accessibility'
control panel I guess (although MouseKeys is borderline), but only
until they decide to add some non-keyboard stuff to the AccessX
standard...
Comment 4 Havoc Pennington 2002-03-27 14:02:01 UTC
Why not call it "keyboard accessibility" and then if they add
non-keyboard stuff in AccessX we put that in a _different_ panel, 
i.e. organize things logically not by standard... we don't have 
Unicode settings in a control panel called "ISO10646" or 
drag-and-drop settings in a control panel called "XDND" - this 
seems extremely technical-user-oriented.

Or have one accessibility capplet, with tabs for Keyboard, Screen, etc.
- you could easily do this if we kill the General/Misc tab and move it
to the Keyboard tab after deleting some of the cruft from the Keyboard
tab (see one of my other bugs in here).

The general GNOME menu naming uses "Calculator" not "gcalc," 
"Word Processor" not "AbiWord" etc, right?
Comment 5 Havoc Pennington 2002-03-27 14:16:37 UTC
Heck, there's no reason users should even know they're running "X" any
more than they know they have "GDI" on Windows.
Comment 6 Calum Benson 2002-03-27 14:28:30 UTC
We thought about having just the one tabbed capplet, but decided since
it wasn't at all clear how few/many tabs it would end up having in
future, it was worth taking the step of adding a new control center
category on this occasion.

As for calling the AccessX capplet "Keyboard Accessibility" (or just
"Keyboard", since it's already in the 'Accessibility' section)-- I
could live with that, but I don't know if Sun would... Bill, any
thoughts?
Comment 7 bill.haneman 2002-03-27 14:57:09 UTC
I think that keyboard, as a subpanel of "Accessibility", is OK.
However "AccessX" is a recognized feature (by that specific name)
within the disability community, it's not a CDE thing at all, but an X
feature.  In that case, one of the few "X" features that end users do
recognize by name...   
Comment 8 Calum Benson 2002-03-28 18:17:29 UTC
We spoke about this within Sun today, and the accessibility team here
are generally in agreement that 'Accessibility->Keyboard' is a better
term than 'Accessibility->AccessX' from a usability perspective (don't
think there was ever much doubt about that).  There was just some
concern as to whether X.Org might be a little ticked off at the
non-use of the term AccessX to refer to something that's clearly a GUI
for AccessX, as they're apparently keen to promote and protect that
term, but we're looking into that.
Comment 9 Luis Villa 2002-03-30 21:06:21 UTC
Making sure jody is cc'd. 

Do we have agreement on Accessibility->Keyboard, then?
Comment 10 Jody Goldberg 2002-03-30 21:41:50 UTC
Done.  I prefer this, which is why I used that directory tree.
Comment 11 Calum Benson 2002-04-02 12:57:45 UTC
Probably fine to use Accessibility->Keyboard for now, yes... if I hear
objections from on high at a later date, I'll let you know...