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Bug 95950 - New tab behavior
New tab behavior
Status: RESOLVED NOTABUG
Product: galeon
Classification: Deprecated
Component: User interface
1.2.99
Other Windows
: Normal normal
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Assigned To: Marco Pesenti Gritti
Yanko Kaneti
Depends on:
Blocks: 94256
 
 
Reported: 2002-10-16 15:33 UTC by Marco Pesenti Gritti
Modified: 2004-12-22 21:47 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: ---



Description Marco Pesenti Gritti 2002-10-16 15:33:29 UTC
Comments by tko on another bug:

I'm having doubts about my original statement about File/New Tab
behavior.  'Jump in to new tabs automatically' must be enabled by
default, that's how everything else works, and when compared to New
Window provides more consistent default behavior.

But when the user chooses to disable the 'Jump in to new tabs
automatically' then we must assume he really means that -> if
disabled, File/New Tab must open a new tab in the background as well.

We must not start second-guessing user's preferences.  I don't know
what I was thinking at first... :-/
Comment 1 Marco Pesenti Gritti 2002-10-17 11:01:39 UTC
Tko this is the right bug ;)

My thoughts about this are:
- Tabs should not be a replacement of windows otherwise it would be 
better to let the wm handle them. Doesnt tabbed wm already exists ?
- The ability of opening many tabs at one time is nice :)
- Tabs and Windows togheter cover both the usage paths you pointed 
out. So it sounds like a good candidate for a default
Comment 2 Tommi Komulainen 2002-10-17 11:45:22 UTC
Hmm..  I think I'm losing track of what this bug is focusing at. :-/

I'm saying that all actions that open a new tab should follow the user
preference, because that's what the user wanted.

As for the default behavior, I'm suggesting to keep the 'Jump to new
tab automatically' enabled, for the reasons I stated in the wrong
bug...  Another reason I might add is that if kept enabled, changing
from windowed browsing to tabbed browsing wouldn't be so drastically
different.  Toggling only one pref, you'd get only one, small, easily
understood change in the behavior.  If you want to take your tabbed
browsing experience even further, toggle the other pref.

And I agree, opening multiple tabs is nice, but that's what I do less
frequently.  The default is not a problem for me personally, you know
that.  I just think toggling preferences one by one should introduce
incremental changes in behavior.
Comment 3 Marco Pesenti Gritti 2002-10-17 11:48:56 UTC
>And I agree, opening multiple tabs is nice, but that's what I do less
>frequently.

Me too, but you still have windows for it.

>I'm saying that all actions that open a new tab should follow the 
user
>preference, because that's what the user wanted.

I dont have a strong feeling about this but I'm pretty sure we would 
get huge complains if we change it :) 
I think it was implemented that way because when you open a new tab 
you probably want to type an url in. And having to activate it sucks.
But I didnt implement it.
Comment 4 Tommi Komulainen 2002-10-17 12:05:39 UTC
I still don't understand what you are refering to with the windows.  I
open new windows very rarely.  I don't want them cluttering the
desktop.  If I did, I wouldn't be using tabbed mode in the first place.

Yeah, the File/New Tab is strange case...  Hmm, what about
middle-clicking on bookmarks?  My first thought is that it should be
automatically activated, because the bookmark menu will close once you
click on the bm, making it somewhat harder to open multiple bookmarks
than it is opening links on pages.
Comment 5 Marco Pesenti Gritti 2002-10-17 12:10:47 UTC
>I still don't understand what you are refering to with the windows.  
I
>open new windows very rarely.  I don't want them cluttering the
>desktop.  If I did, I wouldn't be using tabbed mode in the first 
>place.

I'm referring to windows because:
1 As I alreasy said if tabs == windows less cluttered that should be 
wm work
2 If a default provide a way to access both behavior paths, it's a 
good default

>Yeah, the File/New Tab is strange case...  Hmm, what about
>middle-clicking on bookmarks?  My first thought is that it should be
>automatically activated, because the bookmark menu will close once 
you
>click on the bm, making it somewhat harder to open multiple bookmarks
>than it is opening links on pages.

If the dialog close yeah, it should jump ihmo.
Comment 6 Tommi Komulainen 2002-10-17 12:24:12 UTC
Heh, well, I've heard and agree on that 'tabs are MDI done right.'  WM
can't do that, not that many really even try.

The point I'm trying to make on the default setting (which btw is
based on the assumption that windowed browsing is the default) is that
toggling just one pref gets you from windowed browsing the other
extreme.  I'm worried that people try that, see it's drastically
different, don't like it and change back.  Never realizing there's a
middle ground.  It's hard to understand how toggling two prefs makes a
smaller change than toggling just one.

Though, if you choose tabbed mode as the default, then it's a
different story.
Comment 7 Marco Pesenti Gritti 2002-10-17 12:34:09 UTC
I think the HIG state MDI sucks ;) not sure ;)
Anyway if we want to get a decision we should ask also to others ... 
I'm pretty sure they would agree with me though, oddly ;)
Comment 8 Marco Pesenti Gritti 2002-10-17 18:09:23 UTC
I'm not opposed to tabs mode as default ...