GNOME Bugzilla – Bug 768061
windows 10 has trashed the font sizing in Gimp 2.8.16
Last modified: 2018-05-24 16:29:26 UTC
Created attachment 330389 [details] jpg of menu sizes in win 10 gimp 2.8.16 Under Win 7Pro gimp worked fine. Windows 10 has made he font sizes on menus and dialog boxes about a size 5 or 6. Windows 10 does this on many other applications too. And setting font sizes for menus, dialog boxes and so on does not change a thing in Gimp. I hope you can fix this soon or I will have to stop using Gimp because looking at such small fonts is hurting my old eyes. About the same size fonts I am looking at in this msg box.
Can you attach a screenshot with some context please? That menu looks absolutely fine and readable to me.
Created attachment 330403 [details] jpg showing menu bar and right click pop menu text sizes 6/26 Thank you for your prompt response. If you look at the size of the text on the menu bar, the pop right click tools too compared to the toolbox, tool option and layers option headers, the text is miniscule. The app I used to take the screen shots has the same issue. The save as box text has become so small as to be hard to read. It is almost as if when I increase the text size in the win 10 settings > display > text size > advanced options for menus, tool tips, and so on, Gimp text gets smaller in response to my increasing the text size in personalization settings.. Really this only happened about 2 or 3 windows 10 updates ago. Before that this problem of windows running apps did not exist. The apps followed their programming. Gimp is not the only app I am having this issue with. FS Capture is the screen capture app I use. It too has done the same as Gimp. Text size in about a size 5 font. Windows 10 std size is 8 I think on a 1920 x 1080 monitor My computer setup Windows 10 Pro build 1511 10585.420 CPU 4770k Quad processor at 3.5 gig Ram 16 gigs 1600 mz DDR3 or DDR4 Nividia 760 video card with 5 megs DDR3 Video ram I am not sure what else to tell you. This was not an issue in Win 7 Pro. The programs ran their menus and font sizes and windows ran the system. Windows 10 seems to have to have its nose in running everything. If there is a way in gimp to adjust the font sizes for the menu bar, the right click pop menus, I have not found it.
1920 x 1080 doesn't sound like a HiDPI setup, which was my theory. Can somebody with a Windows 10 machine with all latest updates reproduce this font size issue?
This may pertinent. My settings for the following using the Win 10 Advanced Display Setting Option title bars 13 Menus 13 Message Boxes 14 Pallette Titles 12 Icons 11 Tool Tips 14 I had to increase the sizes from Win 10. I think default was 8, 9 or 10. Don't remember for sure.
I noticed wordpad is doing the same font sizing issue as Gimp but notepad and ms word and excel are fine. Maybe it has to do with where or the way the software is accessing the windows system.
That sounds as if new API exists that should be used to get the font sizes, and some old API got broken. Somebody with Windows hacking experience needs to look at GTK+'s Windows theme and check what exactly it does there using what API.
I just had an MS tech do some work remotely. Part of the issue is the win 10 advanced settings for title bars, message boxes and so on. Currently I have gimp so it looks pretty good to me thru messing with those items. The MS tech is also going to have development check win 10. This all started with the cumulative update for 64x on 5/10/16 as far as I can tell. I have asked for win 10 to stay out of the apps and let each one run their own UI instead of win 10 trying to be a one size fits all. Whether that goes anywhere or not is up for grabs. But there are a lot of very POd customers on the feedback forums. I am not sure how to make this resolved so some help would be appreciated.
Hi, If I understand well comment 7, you manage to have reasonable font size by fiddling through Windows settings somewhere? If so, could you tell us which Windows settings they are (like how you set these, step by step, assuming we don't know much about Windows customization). Knowing this, we may be able to find the corresponding API hopefully.
1. I am running an ASUS 269H-P DVIX-HDMI monitor at 60mz set at 1920x1080 with a Nividia GTX GeForce card. This setup worked well up until Win 10 updated installed all 64X cumulative updates. After that was when I started to have problems. When win 10 originally installed, it either removed or replaced the ASUS drivers with a Generic PNP monitor driver that I think is the basic problem. After the cumulative updates for 64x were installed on 5/10/16, was when I started to notice this shrinking fonts in the menus and palettes. I have had some discussion with a Microcenter Knowledge Tech who has said that win 10 works better 144mz monitors than 60 mz. 2. After the MS tech messed around with the advanced display options and adjusted text sizes for Title Bars, Menus, Message Boxes, Palette Titles, Icons,Tool Tips, I could see some improvement for me. 3. I went back thru Gimp Preferences and reset the following Upped undo to 8 levels Made sure I had selected the default Gimp 2.8 theme 4. Then I went to the desktop, right clicked and selected display settings > advanced display settings > Change only the text sizes or this way to get there Control Panel\Appearance and Personalization\Display . I initially set all the items back to a size 10 which is the default. Then checked Gimp and Wordpad which are the two most noticable on my monitor. Next after some more fiddling around, I finally settled on these settings Title Bars = 11 Menus = 13 Message Boxes = 13 Palette Title = 11 Icons = 11 I am 74 yrs old and my eyes are not as good as they used to be so I upped the Icons labels one size. I tried 12 but that was a bit much with Icon size at small Tool Tips = 14 5. Finally I have been thru and adjusted the Clear Type Fonts, which worked great in Win 7 Pro, about 4 times now. I have a display which is reasonable but not as crisp as win 7 did it. IMO, there is a problem with the generic PNP monitor driver displaying true type fonts as intended. I have tried turning them off a couple of times and for me I think the text in Icon labels is much sharper. +++++++++++++++++ I asked the MS tech to please ask the development team to look at the drivers and see that they are working correctly and he said he would kick my request upstairs. +++++++++++++++++++++ I have checked the ASUS site and there are a couple of updates for ASUS drivers which I will look at installing as soon as I learn how or find a good installer for drivers. ++++++++++++++ Lastly I went thru the Monitor hard options and set the Scenery Mode to 85 brightness, contrast at 65 which produces a reasonable sight picture. Otherwise this 269 monitor will run at 100% bright and cook your eyes. ++++++++++++++++++ If any of you have suggestions on monitors I am open to them. Finally after the 4th, I am going to check with Microcenter and see what they would charge to remove win 10 and reinstall Win 7 Pro if that is even possible. I also have just about every type of thing in win 10 turned off including Cortana, most notifications, feedback and all the other data mining crap I can find. ++++++++++++++++++++ If there are other Gimp themes you would like me to try, let me know how to get them and install them. I hope this information is of use to you all. And a HUGE THANK YOU for your respones to this issue. It was a lot simpler when the os ran the system and let the programs do their own display. At least I can see the text in wordpad now.
should be Nividia GTX 760 GeForce card
Since gimp, wordpad, ccleaner and now notepad++ are experiencing the same issues on menu bars, right click menus and in tab labels in notepad++, is it possible Windows 10 does not have provision for allowing the programs to run their native fonts as specified in the programs and instead is substituting the closest equivalent clear type font which is smaller than the fonts specified in each programs UI?
this has helped the most so far. This is a windows problem more than Gimp IMO. I had been running my system with no theme selected. The 4 supplied with win 10 pretty much suck IMO. In Win 7 Pro this theme issue was not as important as best I can remember. And I let the OS run the system graphics pretty much. I have adjusted my monitor theme which is ASUS Scenery down to 85% brightness and 65% contrast which still makes all text rather washed out. From the Windows Controls, I switched to using the Nividia controls at 50 brightness and contrast and adjusted the gamma down from 1.0 to .90 which makes the text darker and more crisp clear. digital vibrance at 50 and hue at 0 The gamma adj I found in a forum post looking for how to make text darker. This had improved the title bars under icons greatly. While some of the text in some programs is still smaller than I would like,it is at more clear and easy for me to see. Another tip I found Search bar bottom > Advanced > advanced system settings > Performance > Settings > uncheck smooth edges of screen fonts This will turn off clear type fonts. Gimp top menu is much more clear at the size it now displays,the drop downs are much better and clear. The rt click menus also better but text size on them could be a bit bigger. I think this might be done with the win 10 advanced display controls. Hopefully this improvement will stay and win 10 won't try and take over from the Nividia controls. Thanks again to all who have read this thread and who responded. This win 10 issue may still be something you want to address in the next release of Gimp. In this research, I found a lot of unhappy people with the way win 10 is managing displays and fonts. I also found several articles that the base fonts supplied with win 10 are not clear and well formed. It did not seem this difficult in win 7.
(In reply to flyfisher842 from comment #0) > Created attachment 330389 [details] > jpg of menu sizes in win 10 gimp 2.8.16 > > Under Win 7Pro gimp worked fine. Windows 10 has made he font sizes on menus > and dialog boxes about a size 5 or 6. Windows 10 does this on many other > applications too. And setting font sizes for menus, dialog boxes and so on > does not change a thing in Gimp. I hope you can fix this soon or I will have > to stop using Gimp because looking at such small fonts is hurting my old > eyes. About the same size fonts I am looking at in this msg box. Hi Flyfischer, same problem for me. With a Dell xps 15. Tools icons much too small. I met the problem with Photoshop 10.0 as well. I don't know how to improve this size ?
TheOliverswiss, the icons problem is a different issue, namely bug 725464.
Can you check again with GIMP 2.10.0, please?
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