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Bug 642696 - 15 minute review
15 minute review
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Product: the-board
Classification: Other
Component: general
0.1.x
Other Linux
: Normal enhancement
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Assigned To: The-Board Maintainers
The-Board Maintainers
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2011-02-18 17:38 UTC by Luc Pi
Modified: 2011-03-29 16:23 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: ---



Description Luc Pi 2011-02-18 17:38:18 UTC
This is a 15 min review

I don't wanted to flood the component with useless reports, so feel free to point me at items you really would like a specific report on. Or just simply close this bug report!

- after playing a while, I lost my review notes :(
  and the page title.
  -> oppening a text file to take notes, frustrating...
- default page title "Untitled" looks weird. suggesting "Page %n"
- no undo?
- dont like the swapping menus. hurts eye. disturbing
- overall don't like the menus, feels sketchy.
- when editing one item, darkned is very dark
- cannot copy/paste from notes
- select all, blacks out the whole note
- can't you reuse existing backend software (leafpad/tomboy, audio record, etc.) and just show a visual?
- note font to align with note lines
- I like the audio visual :)
- I wonder how it scales when many audio notes,
  visualising a stack of tapes?
- audio note cannot append, it will erase, without warning, no undo
- realism: tape on photos does not match some textures, pins would be more appropriate
- realism: coherence: photos need tape, notes and audio just lie down
- realism -> suggesting: board flat horizontal, no need of tape/pins
- realism: "paper" is not paper
- nice switch page transition :)
- I think UI could be simplified greatly by completely removing menus
  - add item: a small pin/button like the item adds it
  - same for new page
  - item menu, behind the item itself (like iphone apps)
  - background, behind the page itself
  - one corner switch pages forward/backward
  -> no more menus, just objects manipulated directly intuitively
  (I dont like the menus here ;)
- "loading, wait a sec.": is it really needed?

overall I don't completely intellectualize the concept/needs yet, though I feel it is very attractive. I am looking foward to see how it scales when heavily used.
Comment 1 Lucas Rocha 2011-03-28 10:31:04 UTC
Hi Luc, thanks for the review! Comments below.

> I don't wanted to flood the component with useless reports, so feel free to
> point me at items you really would like a specific report on. Or just simply
> close this bug report!
> 
> - after playing a while, I lost my review notes :(
>   and the page title.

Do you know the steps to reproduce the bug? That would help me figuring out what happened.

Anyway, storage is not very reliable at the moment. I have fixed a bunch of bugs lately which should improve the situation though. The current storage code is just a place holder which should be replaced by a tracker implementation soon (I hope).

>   -> oppening a text file to take notes, frustrating...

Ugh :-/

> - default page title "Untitled" looks weird. suggesting "Page %n"

Agree. Filed a bug for that (see bug 645917). I think a date would be more useful than a number.

> - no undo?

This is a planned feature (see bug 636830). Just not implemented yet. 

> - dont like the swapping menus. hurts eye. disturbing

I discuss the rationale of the current context toolbars in a blog post:

http://lucasr.org/2010/11/17/context-toolbars-in-the-board/

I agree that there's a bit too much movement on the screen when the menus swap. But I think this is aggravated by the harsh dimming of the screen (see below). I'll keep the current context toolbar design for now. If it proves to be bad for most users, I'll think of alternatives.

> - overall don't like the menus, feels sketchy.

Even though the context toolbar infrastructure is in place, the actual toolbars are still incomplete. I hope to implement that in the next dev snapshots.

> - when editing one item, darkned is very dark

This is now fixed in master.

> - cannot copy/paste from notes

Known issue (see bug 636639).

> - select all, blacks out the whole note

Known issue (see bug 639756).

> - can't you reuse existing backend software (leafpad/tomboy, audio record,
> etc.) and just show a visual?

That has a bunch of design and implementation issues that still needs a bit of thought. I do think some integration with existing backends and apps can be handy though. A user reported bug 645615 (integrate with tomboy) and bug 645616 (integrate with google calendar/evolution/thunderbird).

> - note font to align with note lines

The note lines should change to a final design soon. See bug 636848.

> - I like the audio visual :)

Retro! :-)

> - I wonder how it scales when many audio notes,
>   visualising a stack of tapes?

Stacking elements in a page is part is part of the plans. I actually started to implement that a few weeks ago but I hit some major design issues which I have to figure out before moving on with the idea.

> - audio note cannot append, it will erase, without warning, no undo

Agree this is a problem. Filed bug 645919 to track that.

> - realism: tape on photos does not match some textures, pins would be more
> appropriate

Ok, will consider doing that once I get a real design to do it for me :-)

> - realism: coherence: photos need tape, notes and audio just lie down

Same here. I'm still looking for a graphic designer who can help me make all graphics look great and realistic. I thinking mimicking the physical world is a major aspect of what I want for The Board, design-wise.

> - realism -> suggesting: board flat horizontal, no need of tape/pins

What do you mean?

> - realism: "paper" is not paper

Canvas maybe?

> - nice switch page transition :)

Thanks. I think it still needs some polishing but yes, it looks pretty cool! :-)

> - I think UI could be simplified greatly by completely removing menus
>   - add item: a small pin/button like the item adds it
>   - same for new page
>   - item menu, behind the item itself (like iphone apps)
>   - background, behind the page itself
>   - one corner switch pages forward/backward
>   -> no more menus, just objects manipulated directly intuitively
>   (I dont like the menus here ;)

I agree the UI can still be simplified. This is just a first round of design work though. So, expect it to change quite a bit as I learn from the users feedback. I will definitely takes those ideas into account when improving the UI.

> - "loading, wait a sec.": is it really needed?

I want to show something meaning straight away while the app loads. I think this is better than either not showing the app for a few seconds (leaving the user with some clueless waiting) or showing partially loaded UI (which is quite ugly and unusable). The current startup screen is just a placeholder though. I filed bug 640227 to track this.

> overall I don't completely intellectualize the concept/needs yet, though I feel
> it is very attractive. I am looking foward to see how it scales when heavily
> used.

Thanks for the feedback! I'll leave this bug open for a few more days in case you want to add some more thoughts here.
Comment 2 Luc Pi 2011-03-29 16:01:08 UTC
> > - after playing a while, I lost my review notes :(
> >   and the page title.
> 
> Do you know the steps to reproduce the bug? That would help me figuring out
> what happened.

I will try to reproduce, I will file a bug report if I succeed!


> > - realism -> suggesting: board flat horizontal, no need of tape/pins
> 
> What do you mean?

You should choose where the gravity goes, then be consistent with the visuals. I was suggesting the board to be "horizontal". Then objects are just lying down on it, rather than hanged on a "vertical" board. Get it? I could be more clear... but in French :)

> 
> > - realism: "paper" is not paper
> 
> Canvas maybe?

yes it's a canvas


> Thanks for the feedback! I'll leave this bug open for a few more days in case
> you want to add some more thoughts here.


Thank You for taking it into account,
Good continuation with the project!

I am OK to close the report
Comment 3 Lucas Rocha 2011-03-29 16:23:50 UTC
Thanks Luc!