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Bug 623395 - focus-stealing-prevented does not mean "ready"
focus-stealing-prevented does not mean "ready"
Status: RESOLVED OBSOLETE
Product: gnome-shell
Classification: Core
Component: general
unspecified
Other Linux
: Normal normal
: ---
Assigned To: gnome-shell-maint
gnome-shell-maint
: 645913 663553 (view as bug list)
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
 
Reported: 2010-07-02 14:00 UTC by Dan Winship
Modified: 2021-07-05 14:46 UTC
See Also:
GNOME target: ---
GNOME version: ---


Attachments
windowAttentionHandler: Drop "is ready" suffix (944 bytes, patch)
2013-03-04 09:21 UTC, drago01
none Details | Review

Description Dan Winship 2010-07-02 14:00:57 UTC
shell occasionally tells me things like

  'Loading...' is ready

Um... no.

I think a better description would be "has opened in the background". Or maybe "APPNAME has opened a window in the background" and just don't show the window title at all.

Also, I think the notification is only necessary at all if the new window is not obviously visible. If at least, say, 20% of the area of the window is exposed on the screen, then the user has most likely noticed it, and we don't need to say anything. It's only when the window opens on another workspace, or is obscured by a maximized window, etc, that we need the notification.

(I'm not sure what the simplest way to check that 20% of the window is exposed is.)
Comment 1 Milan Bouchet-Valat 2010-07-02 16:10:37 UTC
Isn't there a way to tell whether a window is a splashscreen? For example, it doesn't have decorations.

I'd say no explanation is needed: just show the title of the window. Because often "is ready" (or anything) feels weird after the title.
Comment 2 Dan Winship 2010-07-02 16:55:18 UTC
I wasn't thinking of splash screens, I was thinking when you click on a link and it launches a web browser, and the browser pops up the window before it knows the title of the page it's loading, so the title is just something like "Loading...". So it's an application-level window, and it's the *right* application-level window, it just doesn't have a useful title yet.

Having just the window title with no further explanation seems like it would be pretty mysterious.
Comment 3 William Jon McCann 2010-07-06 18:50:28 UTC
Yeah, even the cases that say Firefox is ready when it clearly hasn't even loaded the page yet are wrong.  But maybe a different bug.
Comment 4 Ray Strode [halfline] 2010-11-12 15:49:23 UTC
Jon had a pretty funny case of 

"Low Disk Space is ready"

yesterday when a low disk space warning dialog popped up.
Comment 5 drago01 2010-11-12 17:02:58 UTC
I already got that the name sucks (which was ironically suggested by Jon ;) ), so we don't need more cases where it does but suggestions for better alternatives.
Comment 6 Florian Müllner 2010-11-12 17:13:41 UTC
(In reply to comment #5)
> I already got that the name sucks (which was ironically suggested by Jon ;) ),
> so we don't need more cases where it does but suggestions for better
> alternatives.

Except for the funny ones ;-)
Comment 7 Ray Strode [halfline] 2010-11-12 18:00:10 UTC
right, the low disk space thing shouldn't even be a dialog anyway.  i was just mentioning it for humor value.
Comment 8 Guillaume Desmottes 2011-03-28 09:37:41 UTC
(In reply to comment #3)
> Yeah, even the cases that say Firefox is ready when it clearly hasn't even
> loaded the page yet are wrong.  But maybe a different bug.

I opened bug #645913 about this specific issue.
Comment 9 Dan Winship 2011-03-28 12:06:42 UTC
*** Bug 645913 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 10 Milan Bouchet-Valat 2011-11-07 18:56:16 UTC
*** Bug 663553 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 11 Milan Bouchet-Valat 2011-11-07 18:57:28 UTC
Jon, do you think we should just show the title of the window, without "is ready" part? That would already be a great improvement
Comment 12 drago01 2013-03-04 09:21:44 UTC
Created attachment 237937 [details] [review]
windowAttentionHandler: Drop "is ready" suffix

Just show the window title because "is ready" does not really fit many
contexts.
Comment 13 Jasper St. Pierre (not reading bugmail) 2013-03-04 17:27:47 UTC
Review of attachment 237937 [details] [review]:

I don't like the look of the notification, then, as it's just app name, window name. Talk to the designers about how this should look.
Comment 14 GNOME Infrastructure Team 2021-07-05 14:46:01 UTC
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