* pbor sees that gedit session was already done... anything significant?
<clarkbw> if anyone wants to grab a maintainer we can start something
<clarkbw> a gedit session was started :)
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<clarkbw> we made a lot of progress on the preferences dialog
<clarkbw> jody, ping?
<pbor> in particular what you think of the new confirmation dialog: http://www.gnome.org/~paolo/screenshots/close_all_dlg.png
<clarkbw> we didn't get a chance to talk about it
<clarkbw> what happens for files that haven't been saved at all? (like Unititled 1)
<clarkbw> does a Save As... dialog appear?
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<pbor> (fyi paolo landed it on HEAD this afternoon)
 clahey_ clarkbw 
<pbor> clarkbw: yes the same as the old multiple dialogs (one for each unsaved doc)
<dcberg> ehm, I like the idea shown on that screenshot... is there a chance for it becoming not only a gedit feature but a general gnome dialog for all programs?
* murrayc would really like standard unsaved-changes dialogs.
<jody> clarkbw: pong
<clarkbw> jody, hey would you have time soon for a ui-review of the control-center?
* jody fears
<jody> Time ?  yes, time can be made
<clarkbw> pbor, i like the idea, but I think murryc is right
<jody> Inclination ?  dear god why me ?
<clarkbw> :-)
<clarkbw> we can stick to a few capplets ;-)
<clarkbw> maybe the new ones
<clarkbw> pbor, the dialog looks good
<clarkbw> pbor, the problem i see is not knowing which file is which during mult. calls to Save As...
<murrayc> pbor: I mean, I'd like them to be standardised in GTK+ or libgnomeui, so you just have to call a function.
<clarkbw> jody, lets say in 20 min. ( give you time to prepare, harness your chi )
<pbor> clarkbw, murrayc: I agree that it would be nice to get it in some lib, but it seems late for 2.6, beside some more api issues have to be considered (e.g. not all apps have "Documents")
<murrayc> pbor: Yes, stuff happens when it happens, if it happens at all.
<pbor> clarkbw: yeah, you are right about the "which doc I'm saving?" problem... dunno... IIRC the default suggested filename is the current name (e.g. "Untitled1"), is that enogh as an hint?
<pbor> enough even
<clarkbw> pbor, i'd like to see the save dialogs line up with the document tab or something
<clarkbw> something to relate the saving to the document that's being saved
<pbor> I *think* (not sure) that the document you are saving is popped up in the MDI
<clarkbw> hm
<pbor> changing the FileChooser Title to "Save "Untitled 1" as...", would be ok with HIG?
<clarkbw> i'd have to check to be sure
<clarkbw> but the idea is to relate the file save dialog to the text that has been written
<clarkbw> not necessarily the "Untitled 1", since this might not have meaning to the person
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<pbor> IIRC M$ Word used to try to assign the first word(s) in the doc as filename...
<murrayc> which is just stoopeed.
* murrayc was just annoyed once more by the Yes/No gedit unsaved-changes dialog.
<clarkbw> and might not work for multiple #!/usr/bin/python files
<murrayc> Hmm. maybe that wasn't gedit.
<murrayc> Must have been evolution's unsent messages Yes/No dialog.
<pbor> clarkbw: yeah agreed that using the first words sucks
<clarkbw> pbor, i don't really have any more suggestions.  this is a pretty tough problem
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<clarkbw> i'd like to see something more like the mac os x dialogs
<clarkbw> that are attached to the area they concern
<pbor> one more question about the buttons of the dialog:
<clarkbw> yes?
<pbor> when I first discussed this with paolo I proposed:
<pbor> "Save None" and "Save Selected" insteda of "Don't Save" and "Save"...
<murrayc_away> "Discard All" instead of "Save None"
<pbor> in particular "Save None" looks more clear to me, since that button will not save *any* of the docs
<clarkbw> yes, discard all
<murrayc_away> Although I'm not even sure whether this list-of-unsaved-docuemnts thing is a good idea. But people like seth will have more learned opinions.
<clarkbw> save selected
<murrayc_away> pbor: The button names should be actions, and "Save None" is more of an inaction.
* dcberg thinks it is a good idea
<pbor> "Discard All" is fine with me... paolo preferred to stick to the HIG suggested "Save" "Don't Save"
<murrayc_away> If the HIG says "Don't Save" instead of "Discard", then OK, but that surprises me.
<clarkbw> i think we're going to find more problems with this dialog than we'll get benefits
<murrayc_away> THere may be a bugzilla HIG bug about this.
<murrayc_away> I suggest that you discuss/solve generic problems generically, rather than just for one app.
<pbor> as a matter of fact http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/draft_hig_new/windows-alert.html#alerts-confirmation suggests "Close without Saving"
<dcberg> well, I would not suggest a ok button, that doesn't make sense at all. and discard is standard for photoshop layers etc. close without saving is pretty long
<murrayc_away> I am really away now.
<pbor> dcberg: nobody ever propsed an OK button...
<clarkbw> pbor, but this HIG dialog is only for 1 document
<dcberg> I know
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<clarkbw> close without saving will be ambiguous for multiples documents
<clarkbw> especially with the check boxes
<dcberg> what does ambiguous mean?
<pbor> clarkbw: agreed 
<dcberg> but guess you're right anyway ;)
<clarkbw> ambiguous =~ poorly defined
<dcberg> thanx.. so yes!
<pbor> dcberg: Applications->Accessories->Dictionary ;-)
<clarkbw> he he
<dcberg> well, acutall: dict.leo.org
<dcberg> ;)
<dcberg> very good a dictionary for english to german and the other way around translations
<clarkbw> pbor, we should ask seth or calum for a second opinion, but I think there needs to be consensus on this dialog or it will get us into trouble
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<pbor> clarkbw & all: thanks for the suggestions, I'll attach this log to the bug (128810), hope you can get some of the "experts" to look at it :)
<pbor> keep also in mind that also getting a series of separate alert dialog is quite annoying
* dcberg very much agrees
<clarkbw> that's why i think there's merit in this idea
