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<reinouts_> not much action yet..
<calum> might not be any at all now that the ui is frozen, just waiting on Gman to tell me :)
<reinouts_> oh btw I've taken on a new nick
* Gman ponders
* Gman isn't sure either
* Gman missed the last release team - plus most of last weeks ui-review :(
<reinouts_> 'Any UI change must be related to UI review or stability bugs, the very          few exceptions must be confirmed by two members of the release team   '
<calum> jdub's on #release, somebody ask him :)
<reinouts_> so all we need to do is bribe two people :P
* Gman pings him
<Eimi> Isn't this UI review?
* calum goes to get some food while a decision is made
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* Gman had hoped to get file roller looked at
<Gman> although i guess we could have a look at what mike wrote
<reinouts_> Gman: we could ui-review fileroller regardless if the resulting changes end up in 2.2 or not
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<reinouts_> hi eoc
<eoc> hi reinout - have we started yet?
<Gman> reinouts_: absolutely
<Gman> but what? :)
<reinouts_> Gman: first we need someone to make screenshots
<reinouts_> there are some on fileroller.sf.net
<reinouts_> http://fileroller.sourceforge.net/ss-5.jpg
<Gman> we'd really need more than that
<Gman> how about if we just come up with a plan of action for the next couple of days?
<eoc> that would be a good idea ... it would help energise the process, I'd say
<reinouts_> so, we need to get paolo on board again like last week (it's the same guy as the gedit-paolo right?)
<Gman> yes
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<Gman> okay
<Gman> so we've done most of panel, desktop preferences, nautilus preferences
<Gman> some of gedit preferences [did those get finished?]
<reinouts_> I've just sent paolo an email
<Gman> and I really have to get my arse into gear and write up the summary of last week
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<Gman> some of the strings in gnome-terminal are a bit broken too
<Gman> in the profile settings bit
<reinouts_> we didn't finish all the prefs
<reinouts_> I don't think we did the plugin manager f.i.
<Gman> i've already opened up a bug to fix up the mnemonics, but not change the strings
<Gman> reinouts_: ok, sounds like we should quickly do that then
<reinouts_> http://www.gnome.org/~paolo/screenshots/plugin-manager.png
<eoc2> sorry about that, got disconnected momentarily
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<Gman> needs label with mnemonic widget set for the table
<reinouts_> the 'Configure plugin' button, does it open the 'Set program location...' window?
<Gman> yes
<reinouts_> the 'Load' header should perhaps be called 'Active'
<Eimi> 'Enabled'
<Eimi> perhaps?
<eoc2> s/Configure plugin/Configure Plugin to conform with HIG capitalization guidelines
<reinouts_> so the title of the configure window should be 'Configure Compare files-plugin'
<reinouts_> eoc2: or your suggestion
<reinouts_> Eimi: Enabled , even better
<eoc2> reinouts_: My suggestion was about the label on the button ...
<Eimi> Does the icon in that second dialog theme?  And more important, does it even belong there?  Seems it should just be removed.
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<reinouts_> s/Location to search for:/program location: ?
<reinouts_> or what does the HIG say about that
<Eimi> reinouts_: good, "search" is misleading there
<eoc2> s/Location to search for:/Location:
<Gman> Eimi: yeah, not sure if i'd have the icon there
<Eimi> if it's just "Location" it can go on the same line
* Gman doesn't like the notebook below the table either
<Gman> eoc2: agreed
<reinouts_> Gman: yeah, doubt what Details is good for
<Gman> Details is just about the author of the plugin
<Gman> i think i'd rather just see it on the same pane, if neccessary
<reinouts_> yup
<Gman> what about all the help text?
<Gman> it kinda seems neccessary
<eoc2> s/Set program location/Configure Plugin
<Gman> although the string used is a bit twisted
<eoc2> I think we could lose the please sentence ...
<Gman> definitely
<Gman> but the first one needs tidying up ;)
<Gman> should 'Compare files' be in bold or something?
<Eimi> feels more like it should be in title case, being the proper name of the plugin
<Eimi> "The Compare Files plugin..."
<Gman> sounds better to me
<eoc2> Is the information about diff necessary in the help text?
<reinouts_> eoc2: kinda
<reinouts_> eoc2: a user really wouldn't know what to do with the diff output otherwise
<Gman> you'd almost think that you could just remove the notebook
<Gman> and update that section with whatever row is currently highlighted :/
<eoc2> If plugins are going to take title capitalization in the help text, they should also do so in the Load/Plugin table.
<Eimi> eoc2: agreed
<Eimi> Gman: agreed, just merge the two pages
<eoc2> Eimi: but does that comply with HIG capitalization ... i'll take a look ..
<Eimi> Plugins are a kind of program, and program names take Title Case always, don't they?  The table puts things into Sentence case, but that doesn't uncap things that are inherently caplitalized, like names.
<eoc2> Eimi: just the way that I was thinking ...
<eoc2> Eimi: HIG is not specific about this, but I think the way we are thinking is correct, so I would title-capitalize plugin names
<eoc2> Back to the help text ... the purpose of this dialog seems to be to specify the location of a plugin - is this true for all plugins, or just Compare Files?
<reinouts_> eoc2: I don't think Word Count plugin needs this
<Eimi> eoc2: actually, it's not the location of the plugin, it's the location of the external program the plugin uses
<Eimi> and I'm guessing it's just that one plugin, I don't think the ASCII Table plugin uses anything external
<eoc2> reinouts_: it seems to me that the help text is not necessary on the dialog - help text is provided when you select the plugin in the Load/Plugin table
<eoc2> So any help text on this dialog should relate to the _configuration_ of this plugin, rather than general information on what the plugin does ...
<reinouts_> eoc2: agree
<Eimi> agreed
<reinouts_> btw, I have the gedit message catalog here. One sentence sounds un-grammatical to me: Do you want to revert to saved the document '%s'?
<Eimi> ewww
<eoc2> So I think the proper place for the "CF plugin uses an external program called diff" is on the preferences dialog
<Eimi> Revert document '%s' to its last saved state?
<reinouts_> Eimi: sounds better already :)
<eoc2> I know I'm going back on something I said earlier, but s/Please, etc/Enter the location of the diff program.
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<eoc2> Eimi: Or "Do you want to revert '%s' to its last saved state?"
<Eimi> eoc2: probably better, yeah
<eoc2> Or even better, L10n wise,  "Do you want to revert '%s' to the last saved state?" 
<Gman> okay, the plan is just to finish gedit
<Gman> and then start fixing stuff in bugzilla
<Eimi> I think 'its' sounds better than 'the', but I still don't really understand the l10n arguments about English
<Eimi> but it works either way, I guess
<Gman> sorry, got distracted...
<Gman> where were we?
<Eimi> Gman: all over the place
<eoc2> Gman: We just finished the Set program location/Configure Plugin dialog ...
<Gman> well, that's only for the compare files plugin
* Gman is trying to find the ascii plugin bit :/
<Gman> nope, can't seem to find it
<Gman> anyone have gedit 2.2 handy? :)
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