<h1>Gesprek met #usability</h1>
<FONT SIZE="2">(14:08:29)</FONT> <B>Het onderwerp voor #usability is 2.9/2.10 UI Review schedule is being updated : <A HREF="http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ui-review/2.9.html">http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ui-review/2.9.html</A></B><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(14:08:41)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> svu: got my mail?<BR>
<FONT SIZE="2">(14:50:19)</FONT> <B>dape is weggegaan (quit: I like core dumps).</B><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#AF7F00" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(14:58:53)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> reinouts_: yeah, reading it right now. thanks<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#AF7F00" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:02:27)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> reinouts_: first, about the selected model. The model is selected properly - but it is not made visible on the list. If I find the way how to make it visible - I'll do<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#AF7F00" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:03:07)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> reinouts_: regarding checkbox - well, I don't mind. I just could not find explicit example in HIG<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:03:53)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> svu: ok....<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:04:22)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> svu: if I try it here, the model is not selected properly. The first model is selected instead.<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#AF7F00" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:06:33)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> reinouts_: ok. Could you please select the model explicitly - then press ok - then open the dialog again?<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:08:31)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> it looks like a but - but I have to find out...<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:08:41)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> s/a but/a bug/<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:13:52)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> svu: if I do that, still the Acer Airkey is selected<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#AF7F00" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:16:55)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> reinouts_: ghm.... very strange :( I get Acer Airkey visible - but selected (when I scroll to it) - current model.... :(((<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:17:14)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> what is your version of g-c-c?<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:18:01)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> 3.4.1, but I didn't compile it myself, though it was built for this distro<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:18:08)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> regarding popup for the layout selection (in evolution) - I do not mind. There was just idea about overpopupping...<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:18:18)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> No, g-c-c is gnome-control-center:) not gcc :)<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:18:22)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> dugh<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:18:37)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> 2.8.1<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:19:06)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> well, could you popup create a bug about moving layouts tree into popup - so we could discuss. IIRC jody had objections<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:19:19)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> popup in evolution? I don't understand<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:19:23)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> ghm. I have 2.8.0 - and it is ok. And I don't remember anyone touching it...<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:19:32)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> no, popup for layouts tree<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:19:47)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> move the right pane of the second tab into popup?<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:20:05)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> (item 3 in your mail)<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:20:33)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> svu: yes, that's what I meant. It would simplify the design, allow more text to be visible and still leave room for the layout-per-window pref<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#AF7F00" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:22:12)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> reinouts_: ok, so if you register this as a bug - everyone interested could participate in discussion. Overpopupping is an issue we should avoid IMHO - so this should be considered with much attention.<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:23:59)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> svu: hmm, but you were asking for my UI advice. Now you want me to file a bug about it?<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#AF7F00" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:24:38)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> reinouts_: regarding the last item (&quot;separate group for window&quot; toggling &quot;default group settings&quot; ) - I am perfectly ok.<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:24:54)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> ok nice :)<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:25:38)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> so, we have two bugs here: one (I cannot reproduce:( ) - model selection, another (not a bug, RFE) - move layouts tree into popup.<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#A82F2F" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:26:27)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> well, also it would be cool to find in HIG the solution of &quot;checkbox vs togglebutton&quot; issue<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:31:17)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> svu: yes, about that last RFE, I only think it is better because a) it's consistent with the keyboard model popup window and b) the layout names have more visual room to be displayed, you don't have to work with horizontal scrolling, c) it looks less complicated<BR>
<FONT COLOR="#AF7F00" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:35:33)</FONT> <B>svu:</B></FONT> reinouts_: generally, I agree - I do not have strong objections. But I really think it is worth separate bug:)<BR>
<FONT SIZE="2">(15:39:32)</FONT> <B>danw [<I>~danw@130.57.22.69</I>] is de ruimte binnengekomen.</B><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#16569E" sml="IRC"><FONT SIZE="2">(15:39:39)</FONT> <B>reinouts_:</B></FONT> svu: tell you what. Let's add it to 115435<BR>
