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18:35 < zeenix> me, jku and mattiasb are working on Maps application for GNOME: https://live.gnome.org/Maps
18:36 < zeenix> currently we are using yahoo's places service through geocode-glib but we are hoping to start using nominatim
18:36 < zeenix> one issue is that we'd like to support completion in search entry
18:37 < zeenix> nominatim's policy says that clients must not do that but we were hoping that its ok to do so on words rather than characters
18:37 < zeenix> combined with excessive caching
18:40 <@lonvia> zeenix: I'm still not convinced that the results you get back are actually useful for a completion service.
18:41 < jku> lonvia: let's say I'm searching for "Lokkalantie 16, Helsinki, Finland" ...
18:40 < jku> lonvia: the result after one word is already close, result after two words is 100% correct
18:41 < jku> just showing that "hey, we have a result, you can stop writing now" would be good
18:41 <@lonvia> Well, I'm not saying it's a no-no. It depends on how you implement it.
18:42 <@lonvia> Basically, if the amount of traffic it produces is not much higher than normal search and you don't have too many invalid results, it's probably ok.
18:42 < zeenix> by launching search upon encountering ',', ' ' or timeout
18:43 <@lonvia> The timeout might get you into trouble.
18:43 <@lonvia> Do you plan to use a proxy server or query osm.org directly?
18:44 < zeenix> directly using would be nice, unless there is already a proxy that would be happy to serve us
18:47 <@lonvia> You would have to set up your own.
18:48 < zeenix> ah ok, we'll talk to our board then
18:49 < jku> lonvia: you mean, if we want a proxy? or do you mean using osm.org is a no-no in general for something like gnome-maps?
18:49 <@lonvia> I'd prefer if you set up a proxy.
18:50 <@lonvia> If your completion service gets out of hand, the only way to handle that without a proxy is to completely block it.
18:51 <@lonvia> If you set up a proxy, you might be able to put in some caching or set up your own server to save the day.
18:51 < zeenix> good point
18:51 < jku> also I remember that mapquest had a nominatim server, is that correct? is it pretty much the same as the one on osm.org?
18:52 < mattiasb> +1 on that. Then we could do a switch to an own hosted nominatim in the future.
18:52 < jku> haven't looked at their api terms though
18:52 <@lonvia> mapquest has exactly the same API but their usage limits are pretty low as well
18:53 <@lonvia> You might be able to talk to them though.
18:54 < mattiasb> lonvia: I read the installation guide btw. 32Gb for importing planet.osm is a lot, but when all data is imported would you say all that memory still is needed? As in: could we do a full import once on some big server and transfer the data to something smaller and then continually sync that later on?
18:54 < mattiasb> I'm getting ahead of myself as always, but still curious
18:56 <@lonvia> The 32MB are a minimum for running the server as well, I'm afraid. Especially, if you plan to do continuous updates. Then you want the SSD as well.
18:56 < mattiasb> ok, good to know
18:56 < zeenix> mattiasb: if you keep talking of implementation details, we might end-up giving the task of setting the server to you :)
18:56 < mattiasb> haha
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04:21 < dhrasmus> Could somebody explain what the rank of a place means?
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11:18 < twain47> @lonvia. FYI, mapquest currently allows ~5 searches a second or 10 reverse geocodes a second
11:20 <@lonvia> Oh, that changed then. No more daily limits?
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15:50 < twain47> lonvia: There is only a daily limit on the comercial goeocoding, not open
15:55 <@lonvia> Good to know. I'll send all those nasty vehicle trackers over to you then. ;)
16:17 < twain47> We've already got a bunch :)
16:17 < twain47> As long as they ack on the product MQ probably dont' have a problem with it 
16:20 <@lonvia> Naturally they don't. Nor acking OSM.
16:22 <@lonvia> FYI I'm starting now to ban them for the OSM servers, wouldn't be surprised if they showed up on your side.
16:23 <@lonvia> Personally I think somebody should extract lots of money out of them. But that's just my 2c.

