(09:46:52) alexkay: djsiegel1: ping?
(09:47:28) djsiegel1: hey alexkay
(09:47:44) djsiegel1: what's up?
(09:48:14) alexkay: hey! lamalex said that you could help, at banshee we have a design problem...
(09:48:22) alexkay: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559013
(09:50:10) alexkay: we are not sure the last patch is the best way to handle it.... you can see the screen-shot in comment #6
(09:50:33) SiDi: alexkay: i'd be prone to reduce this to a simple "import music" thatd open a FolderChooserDialog
(09:51:34) alexkay: SiDi: it's not only from folders... we have importers from other media players (amarok, rhymebox, itunes)
(09:51:34) djsiegel1: alexkay: I don't see any screenshots
(09:51:46) alexkay: djsiegel1: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=136541
(09:51:50) SiDi: alexkay: that wasnt in 1.4.3, right ?
(09:52:02) alexkay: SiDi: no, it's recent
(09:52:08) SiDi: okey
(09:52:25) alexkay: some stuff only exists in the form of patches
(09:52:25) SiDi: cause 1.4.3 offers to import home/any folder/any files/"videos from your photo folder"
(09:52:31) _ke left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
(09:52:34) SiDi: Which can easily be turned into one single thing :)
(09:53:09) alexkay: SiDi: the idea is that we have many importers, each of them with their unique import options
(09:53:31) alexkay: the last patch adds the list of options under the comobobox listing the importers
(09:53:34) djsiegel1: alexkay: first of all, you guys repeat the window title bar in the window
(09:54:06) djsiegel1: I would change the text to "Choose an import source and click 'Import'"
(09:54:15) djsiegel1: and change the button to "Import"
(09:54:29) djsiegel1: you are calling them "import sources" and "media sources"
(09:55:17) djsiegel1: Maybe "Choose a source to import from:" and the import button could say "Next" ?
(09:56:07) djsiegel1: alexkay: I am a bit confused because I don't see how the import feature works with the other sources
(09:56:15) djsiegel1: I think you might be best splitting these out
(09:56:22) djsiegel1: have File > Import Media from Folder
(09:56:29) djsiegel1: that goes directly to a GtkFileChooser
(09:56:49) _ke [n=dgsiegel@e181123253.adsl.alicedsl.de] entered the room.
(09:57:03) djsiegel1: then have another entry in the File menu, File > Import from... > { Amarok, Mass Storage Device, Network } whatever
(09:57:10) djsiegel1: you could get rid of this dialog entirely
(09:57:18) alexkay: djsiegel1: the problem is the the folder importer will get options as well, so a simple file chooser won't work
(09:57:32) djsiegel1: the folder importer will get options?
(09:57:54) djsiegel1: present the options after the person chooses the files/folders to import
(09:58:00) alexkay: we have a pending patch to import ratings, playcounts etc... these will be options during import
(09:58:13) djsiegel1: 99% of the time, users are going to import files/folders
(09:58:46) djsiegel1: it might be nice to have a dedicated menu item, Import Media from Folder, that does not present the user with the other importers
(09:59:00) djsiegel1: you could let the user pick the folder, then present the options
(09:59:18) djsiegel1: 1. File > Import Media from Folder
(09:59:25) djsiegel1: 2. GtkFileChooser to pick folder(s)
(09:59:33) djsiegel1: 3. Import confirmation dialog with options
(09:59:41) mccann left the room (quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)).
(10:00:11) SiDi: imo you could hold this all in "import media from folder" and "import from other players"
(10:00:19) SiDi: and you put your fancy stuff with the dialog in the second option
(10:00:36) SiDi: because what you have right now is a bit of overkill when one just wants to import his music folder
(10:00:43) djsiegel1: right
(10:00:53) djsiegel1: confirmation dialog could show the folder path that is going to be imported from, the number/size of the files, and there you could have your options (ignore duplicates, import ratings), and  cancel and Import buttons
(10:01:07) djsiegel1: would be a lot simpler for users who just want to find a folder and import their files
(10:01:23) ccooke_ left the room (quit: Connection timed out).
(10:01:41) alexkay: we also allow to import individual files, should it be a separate menu item as well?
(10:01:55) djsiegel1: alexkay: no, users don't make that distinction
(10:02:14) SiDi: but its hard to make a file/folder chooser dialog, djsiegel1 
(10:02:16) djsiegel1: files and folders are "my music stuff"
(10:02:21) alexkay: but the GtkFileChooser works either on files or on folders
(10:02:22) cgregan [n=cgregan@ubuntu/member/cgregan] entered the room.
(10:02:28) SiDi: though i dont see the use of file importing, alexkay 
(10:02:29) djsiegel1: yes, it does
(10:02:40) djsiegel1: some people want to import the mp3 they just downloaded to their desktop
(10:02:56) SiDi: and how long will the files stay on the desktop ?
(10:03:04) djsiegel1: that's not our problem
(10:03:16) djsiegel1: for most users, indefinitely :)
(10:03:30) djsiegel1: I mean, it is our problem, but it's not the problem we are solving now
(10:03:43) djsiegel1: people do import individual song files
(10:03:49) djsiegel1: and, people are importing media
(10:03:59) djsiegel1: they might import that 2gb HD file they just got off a torrent
(10:04:25) alexkay: exactly
(10:05:26) alexkay: so, how would it look like then? two menu items for files/folders is bad... and the file chooser cannot select files and folders at the same time
(10:05:37) djsiegel1: are you sure?
(10:05:44) djsiegel1: alexkay: I think it can
(10:05:46) alexkay: to be honest, no :)
(10:05:52) djsiegel1: I am pretty sure it can
(10:06:00) djsiegel1: I am not certain though
(10:06:01) SiDi: it can with gtk tweaking
(10:06:10) SiDi: but it wouldnt be extra at all
(10:06:21) djsiegel1: I am pretty sure GtkFilechooser just picks a set of paths
(10:06:33) djsiegel1: you can set options telling it which paths to filter out by extension
(10:06:37) SiDi: on file chosing dialogs, using the open button when selecting a folder opens it in the chooser, while it'll chose it and end the dialog in a folder chooser
(10:06:48) djsiegel1: ewww
(10:08:08) alexkay: just checked, the dialog takes the action parameter, which is either 'open' or 'select folder'
(10:08:17) alexkay: so, it cannot do both
(10:08:51) SiDi left the room (quit: "Page closed").
(10:09:07) SiDi [i=c353b264@gateway/web/freenode/x-cd8c82cc95342fd1] entered the room.
(10:11:11) alexkay: djsiegel1: as for the other importers, do you suggest a sub menu item for each of them, e.g. iTunes, amarok, rhythbox, etc?
(10:11:32) alexkay: opening a dialog with options specific to the importer?
(10:12:02) SiDi: mrooney: you can use the translators comments, too ;)
(10:12:35) djsiegel1: alexkay: yes
(10:12:39) djsiegel1: alexkay: I suggest that
(10:14:03) SiDi: mrooney: refferring to the old bug report you commented a few mins ago
(10:14:14) alexkay: ok guys, thanks for your suggestions!

